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Morbid ology is a weekly true grind podcast hosted by me.

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Emily G.

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Thompson, author of unsolved child murders, unsolved murders, cults,

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uncovered and mysteries on covered 9 1 1 emergency my husband and I need an

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ambulance each week on morbid ology.

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I uncover a new, true crime case using investigative research

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combined with source audio,

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snatched it from my side.

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Took it.

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I just hit her

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with it more, but only she is a victim focused podcasts

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that mostly covers cases that aren't widely documented in mainstream media.

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I also like to take an in-depth look at any systemic failures, which

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had a part to play in the crime.

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You know why you're here,

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gray home invasion gone, terribly

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wrong.

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Listen, the morphology across all podcast plans.

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Welcome back to Reddit on Wiki.

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Just want to say congratulations.

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You have made it all the way to episode nine with us and we have

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yet to be canceled for those of you who don't know who I am.

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I am.

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And I do have a confession to make.

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I secretly ate water burger over the weekend and I was not

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completely disgusted, but I'm still team in and out gang all day.

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It is all your boy, John and I am joined today with my amazing cohost.

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First up, his voice alone brings all the boys to the yard and we're surprised he

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hasn't been dumped by his girlfriend for all the PSAs readings we make him do.

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He is also the host of the lest articled podcast.

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It is Josh shell.

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What is up?

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My guy?

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Not much, man.

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Not much.

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My girlfriend is in the room again for this recording.

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So don't make me read anything else.

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Show

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do not worry.

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Sean is not hosting today.

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So I think we're safe.

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Oh, thank

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God.

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And rounding up the three Amigos.

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He famously doesn't write any scripts for this show because he

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doesn't want to make us look bad.

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And legend has it that he's the man that cm punk borrowed the best in the world.

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Nickname from he is a Houston, Texas legend.

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None other than Sean Salvino what's happening, bro.

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Not too

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much.

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My guy.

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Riding the high of a, you finally seeing the wave.

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That is what a burger.

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It's nice to be here.

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We're all on the same page for once.

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And yeah, let's just get it rolling.

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Before you say some things that you can take back.

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No, say them

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full disclosure.

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We tried recording before this and we had a huge five minute discussion, but

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luckily Josh, his internet went to shit.

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So let's just take that out of the audio altogether.

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Josh has dial up internet saved the future of this podcast because I

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was about to quit.

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John was ready to quit.

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All right.

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So if you haven't heard what Reddit on wikis all about, I don't think

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I need to explain what the show is because quite frankly, we don't get

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it either, but if he'd been around for the past nine episodes, then

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you know what the fucking vibes is.

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But before we get started, we have some few housekeeping announcements.

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You guys ready for some shout outs real quick?

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah, but I think we lost Josh again.

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Just straight up.

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Not on

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here.

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I was like, man, he's really quiet.

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He's really quiet right

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now.

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let me just

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we're back, baby.

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Oh, Mike,

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Josh.

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Hey, what I miss?

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Holy shit.

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Okay.

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So what's the last thing you

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heard?

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We made the mode dial up.

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Joke.

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That was a while ago.

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Oh

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my God.

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All right.

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So we received a review on pod chaser from Canadian spirit, and it reads as this

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quote, if indie podcasts had supergroups Reddit on Wiki would be one of them.

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They're instant chemistry as hosts and ability to play off one another

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is a goddamn gift to podcasting.

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We can, we can learn a lot from Josh, John.

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Wow.

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That's so nice.

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Such a Canadian Canadian thing to say, got to love it.

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And I think that that review would have been so

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perfect for your superhero theme.

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Oh, that's true.

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Damn it

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just really fucked that one up.

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Right.

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I'm adding it into mine.

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I'm cutting your boys and putting it into the beginning of mine.

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And just a few more items before we get started with this episode.

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Just want to say thank you for everyone.

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That's been engaging with us and sharing our episodes on Twitter.

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So the rest of the wicked maniacs, we just want to announce as well that we

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have an easier way for you to reach us on social media or all our episodes.

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You can check us out on Reddit on wiki.com.

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You can actually leave us a review on the site, have all our info

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transcripts, if you want to read us.

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And it's not correct, but it's okay.

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All the way.

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And we just want to make the experience seamless for you all.

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But I also want to say thank you to a couple of people who not

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only read us reviews, but also left us interactions on Twitter.

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Just want us to take the time to say thank you to some of our loyal Wiki maniacs,

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huge shout out to Louis at GrubHub.

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Aaron from my hat to say it.

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Dustin from Sandman stories, Lindsay from yield crime at it's celly.

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Okay.

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Dr.

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Jules for Middleby that Jade Ben at kinky stuff.

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And sir red at red anatomy.

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And speaking of Jabe, John, I'm going to need you to read a tweet that we got.

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Oh, easy peasy.

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I'm Filipino.

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This should be easy to do.

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Right.

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I speak to Gallo all the time.

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We've been learning together.

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We go on.

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I know I've been teaching you actually.

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That's what it was.

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All right, here we go.

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Perfect to gala coming in 3, 2, 1.

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Okay.

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Lang Boba Caio

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bucket, Neo Cina, Genito friends, Nao bucket book, guy.

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Kidding.

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I love this kid, the voice drama and everything.

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I If you want to revoke my Philippine on this that's quite all right.

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I accept it.

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Again, Gina Janata.

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I don't know that one.

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You're

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not gonna lock, you know, get Nieto.

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Yeah.

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Gina.

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Oh, you're seeing Ben Veneto, bro though.

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He's Italian.

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Oh my God.

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Oh Lord.

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Chef's kiss.

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I got beautiful.

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I'm born and raised in Texas baby.

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Any special shout outs that you guys want to do boys before we get started?

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I mean, I get just

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like, like, I think you covered it, but just another,

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thank you from me as well.

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Just thank you guys for always interacting with us on social media, Instagram, Tik,

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TOK, Twitter, or wherever you do it.

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And we appreciate all of it.

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And yeah.

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Thanks for listening.

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Thanks for not canceling me.

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And yeah, I hope you guys enjoy the rest of our episode.

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Just to be anti whatever you guys are going to say.

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I hate their reviews.

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Stop it, please.

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I hate those.

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I hate the, the interaction.

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Leave

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me alone.

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So this is

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Josh's last episode.

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We're looking for a new host, maybe Jay and,

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Preferably a Canadian cause we need, we need our demographic, a white Canadian.

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Oh God.

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There's so

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many of us we'll hit up becoming Filipino guy.

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It will be a perfect

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fit.

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Yes.

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So now that's all the way today.

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I will be telling you the story of the Donner party.

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John Josh, any idea or any hypothesis, but the Donner party is or who they are.

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I know something with eating people.

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Yes.

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I'm actually sort of on the money with this one.

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I feel like unlike all the other episodes.

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Yeah.

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I feel Shawn's nailed it with that.

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Yeah.

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Eating people.

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That's that's what I know too.

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That's the extent of my knowledge.

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That's that's pretty spot on.

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I think that's the most click baity description that we can think of.

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Did you learn that from your your girlfriend or fiance?

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Did she teach you about that one?

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Cause she's in the, to the truth.

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Yeah.

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She's, she's threatened me if you don't do this or that, and

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we're going to Donner party it up.

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And I was like, oh shit.

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You better watch your back.

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We'll watch your back for you in the webcam.

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We'll see if that,

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I'm mostly doing this podcast is just just for evidence

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should the inevitable happen?

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You know what I mean?

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Hey, Elise, Elise, you have a huge community to cover your case.

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My guy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Please, please do it.

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Let's get started with this episode.

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Shall we?

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Yeah.

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So according to Wikipedia, the Donner party sometimes called the Donna

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Reed party was a group of American pioneers who migrated to California

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in a wagon train from the Midwest, the laid by a multitude of them.

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They spent the winter of 1846 to 1847 snowbound in the

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Sierra Nevada mountain range.

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Some of the migrants resorted to John.

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Got it right to cannibalism, survive, eating the bodies of those who had succumb

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to starvation sickness and extreme cold Donner party department, Missouri on

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the Oregon trail in the spring of 18.

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Behind many other pioneer families who were attempting

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to make the same Overland trip.

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The journey west usually took between four and six months, but the Donner

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party was slowed after electing to follow a new route called the Hastings

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cutoff, which bypass established trails.

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And instead cross the Rocky mountains was not true.

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And the great salt lake desert in present day, Utah desolate and rugged terrain and

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the difficulties they later encountered while traveling along the humble river

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and present day, Nevada resulted in the loss of many cattle and wagons and the

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vision soon formed within the group.

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By early November, the migrants had reached the Sierra Nevada, but became

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trapped by an early heavy snowfall near Truckee lake high in the mountains.

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Their food supplies ran dangerously low and in mid December, some of

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the groups set out on foot to.

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Rescuers from California attempted to reach the migrants, but the first relief

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party did not arrive until the middle of February, 1847, almost four months after

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the wagon train became trapped of the 87 members of the party, 48 survived.

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The ordeal and historians have described the episode as one of the

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most fascinating tragedies in California history and the, in the entire record

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of American westward migration.

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I mean, I, I, as you read it, I do recall a lot of that.

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Yeah.

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I mean, kudos to them for trying to cross the Oregon trail.

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That was not easy.

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My ancestors were way too scared to do it.

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So, so that's why we're over here.

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They were like, we'll go north instead of

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west.

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It's not necessarily a bad thing.

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So hopefully it's colder.

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So and shitty internet, apparently very shitty.

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First that reference the whole

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time, the whole time you were reading, I was like, man,

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there has to be some kind of like journaled, Oregon trail erotic

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fan fiction out

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there.

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There's there's gotta be a way.

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Are you looking for it right now?

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No, it's not my episode.

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I don't want to steam roll, but future,

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right.

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I need to park this wagon.

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Yeah.

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Day 46.

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All I'm craving is sausage.

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There's gotta be, there's gotta be something like, I

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just know wicked maniacs.

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If you find it, feel free to DM Josh, he'll read it out loud to his girlfriend.

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It'll be

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great.

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Or if you can't find it right.

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And then we should have a Columbus city initiative, so you can write

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the best fanfic in our audience.

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I like that word of us

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even truly, truly terrified.

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I don't want bad fiction about us.

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Oh no, no.

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I'm not about that.

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Please.

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Don't immediately quit the show.

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Has that ever happened, please?

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God.

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Fucking talking about cookies and sh I'm good.

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I'm good.

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There's enough clips of us saying shit.

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Yeah.

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That'd be easy to pull.

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Content were

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given to me, Sean baked a dozen cookies, anxiously

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awaiting the arrival of John

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and Josh.

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I feel like he thought

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about this.

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It all just comes to my head.

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My guy it's easy to do.

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That's just how the cookie crumbles.

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Oh God.

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Oh boy.

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All right.

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Let's keep going with this story before we.

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No, let's not do that.

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Okay.

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So crying.

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Yes.

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So who are the Donner party?

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So according to history.com, the group was led by Jacob and George

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Donner in the spring of 1840.

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Like I mentioned earlier, the group of almost 90 wanted to make their

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way to California to get in and out of course, but instead of trusting

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a route that works, they decided to take a risk with a new route.

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That's supposedly shorter, but of course it didn't go that way.

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Otherwise we wouldn't have heard about this.

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Mm.

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Oh, let me tell you now we all have GPS handy, Danny to us.

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And my dumb ass is still trying to come up with routes to

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like how to get places faster.

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Like, I don't know if you guys ever done this, but every time there's

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a GPS, like you, you play try to beat the time as an extreme sport.

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Do you guys ever do

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that?

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Definitely.

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You think I can only get there in 30 minutes, you get there in 25.

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Risking hundreds of dollars in speeding tickets just to get

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through five minutes earlier, it

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sounds like that's the, that's the most excitement I have in my

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life nowadays, which is not cool.

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Oh God.

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Did we not excite you?

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Yes.

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Might write some fan fiction about it.

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Oh, I was speeding left and right.

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Oh God.

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I gripped my steering wheel faster, harder.

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I

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look over Dominic thereto staring at me.

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We're a family office.

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He holds me close face to face we're family now.

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Oh God.

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Anyways, the dire party got this supposedly route from some dude

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named Lansford Hasting, which I find super ironic that his name was, has

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hasty in it, but it was anything.

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Taste that's took

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them forever.

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That's some dumb found dead irony.

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I like it.

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I like it.

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Hastings ventured ahead of the crew.

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He left all them fucking Donner party and the group eventually arrived at the

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head of I dunno if it's Weeber or Webber.

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So let's go with Weaver, Weaver, canyon, or Weber canyon somewhere in present

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day, Utah and their good old Hastings left a note stuck in a little stick for a

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Donner party to see, but the note pretty much indicated, and this is not a quote,

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but pretty much was like, ah, shit.

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It was at this point.

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That they knew they fucked up.

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You're telling me

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that's not a

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quote much.

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It's not a quote, but I want to say he said it nice Hastings,

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overestimated the actual difficulty of the route that they took.

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And I don't know if any of you are gamers out here, but if you guys ever

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played dark souls, By any chance?

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No, no, I heard it was too

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hard.

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Your boy likes easy peasy.

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You know what I'm saying?

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That's exactly

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what it is.

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And to Mario kart.

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Yeah.

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I'm talking to Matt and Matt, Matt and Albuquerque

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mode.

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Oh no, this shit is hard, bro.

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Like I played it for like one hour and I gave up cause I was so fresh.

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And it caused me a lot of sleepless nights because I'm like, fuck this

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game and you already don't sleep.

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And I really don't sleep.

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Yeah.

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So anyways, keep it going.

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Hastings suggested that the group should make camp and wait

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for him to scout the road ahead.

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And when he did that, eight days passed and nothing Hastings is still

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out and about sort of party sent a messenger to find him only for

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Hastings to then tell the messenger to relate to the group that yeah.

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Fam maybe we should have took the other.

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That was official.

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We fucked up

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fucking Hastings.

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Yes, pretty much.

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There was some trouble brewing, you know, spending more than a week using a

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supplies was troubled enough as it is.

John: 00:15:48

But if there the group decided to go back home and where they originated

John: 00:15:52

in Fort Bridger, not only would all they lose the progress that they

John: 00:15:55

made, but it might cause a fortune to restock and not to mention the mental

John: 00:15:59

fatigue that it caused, caused them to pretty much say like, fuck, we got.

John: 00:16:03

So the party made an executive decision as a group to keep soldiering on.

John: 00:16:07

And you were out that they decided to take this time around is even

John: 00:16:11

more difficult than the previous one would so many barriers already.

John: 00:16:14

Wow.

Sean: 00:16:15

Double

John: 00:16:16

down.

John: 00:16:16

It is a double-down and it's just a series of unfortunate events.

John: 00:16:21

Okay.

John: 00:16:22

Let's keep going.

John: 00:16:24

So legends of america.com has it, that the group made it past the Wasatch

John: 00:16:28

mountains around August of that year, the group was struggling both physically and

John: 00:16:32

mentally, which I don't blame them at all.

John: 00:16:34

A member of the group passed away because of exhaustion and

John: 00:16:37

supplies were starting to run low.

John: 00:16:39

The party was already pissed that as it is that Hastings

John: 00:16:41

pretty much screwed them over.

John: 00:16:43

And now they're starting to slowly turn on each other.

John: 00:16:46

Again, another gaming reference, anyone here plays red, dead redemption,

Josh: 00:16:52

fucking love that.

John: 00:16:53

Perfect.

John: 00:16:54

So you could relate.

John: 00:16:55

This is like Dutch John Marston and an Arthur Morgan gang, pretty much.

John: 00:17:00

And I don't want to be spoilers, but if you keep progressing

John: 00:17:03

towards the game, shit goes down.

Sean: 00:17:07

Do they eat each other?

John: 00:17:08

Yes.

John: 00:17:09

Oh, they don't do that.

Sean: 00:17:12

Sure.

Josh: 00:17:12

Oh, in the fanfic I wrote the, do

Sean: 00:17:17

we need you to read that later

John: 00:17:19

on Josh?

John: 00:17:20

I feel like you're taking up like taking in some of our personalities

John: 00:17:24

now just started making puns now you're all into fan fiction.

John: 00:17:28

Yeah.

John: 00:17:28

I don't have a

Josh: 00:17:28

personality, so I build it off of other people.

Josh: 00:17:34

Yes.

Josh: 00:17:35

Was the older ones in the group here.

Josh: 00:17:36

You're corrupting

Sean: 00:17:37

me.

John: 00:17:37

Okay.

Sean: 00:17:39

Chill out.

John: 00:17:42

Oh my God.

John: 00:17:43

You can rent a car for cheap now you're old.

John: 00:17:45

Like us.

John: 00:17:46

That's true.

John: 00:17:47

Okay.

John: 00:17:48

So Hastings laid out another plan that they would get to the great salt lake

John: 00:17:52

desert that it would only take two days.

John: 00:17:54

But at this point, I don't know why I should trust fucking Hastings.

John: 00:17:57

This guy is just messing it all up for them.

John: 00:18:00

And talk to me what his

Sean: 00:18:02

resume was prior to this.

Sean: 00:18:03

Like, how did they address this guy?

Sean: 00:18:05

He seems to just keep bucking up

John: 00:18:09

Craig's Craig's list back then, or notice boards.

Josh: 00:18:13

He ran tourists, local park.

John: 00:18:17

So he did say that it will take about two days to get to this

John: 00:18:19

new path, to the great salt lake desert, but he failed to factor.

John: 00:18:24

That the sand was much more difficult to navigate, especially

John: 00:18:28

with wagons all around classic.

John: 00:18:31

This is a whole clusterfuck already smart wagon started to break some

John: 00:18:36

livestock ran away because they freaked out water supply pretty much became

John: 00:18:40

non-existent because it was in a desert.

John: 00:18:42

It took them five days to track the desert.

John: 00:18:44

And everyone is just pretty much defeated at that

Josh: 00:18:46

point.

Josh: 00:18:47

I'm confused as the salt lake desert not have any money.

Josh: 00:18:50

There's.

Josh: 00:18:51

Yeah,

Sean: 00:18:51

there's definitely a lake, but mostly desert outwardly

John: 00:18:55

does it?

John: 00:18:55

I would probably at this point.

Josh: 00:18:56

Yeah.

Josh: 00:18:57

Wow.

Josh: 00:18:57

Get some great lakes over there, guys.

Josh: 00:18:59

Geez.

John: 00:19:01

Great lakes is in Michigan.

John: 00:19:06

Pretty much Canada.

John: 00:19:07

Michigan's pretty much Canada.

Josh: 00:19:09

It's north and a lot of Canada.

Josh: 00:19:10

So

Sean: 00:19:12

yeah,

John: 00:19:13

so the group was starting to become really desperate and they decided to

John: 00:19:16

send some of their younger members to go ahead and venture for two setters

John: 00:19:20

Ford, California to make supply run.

John: 00:19:23

The group kept traveling for another two weeks and they finally

John: 00:19:26

managed to be part of the trail that Hastings originally mapped out.

John: 00:19:30

So it took them all that time for them to get to the original

John: 00:19:33

spot that they're split.

John: 00:19:35

But because of how long it took the tension starting to be sky high.

John: 00:19:41

And as they make their way through Nevada, that's when shit started

John: 00:19:44

to go down, watch Kevin Hart.

John: 00:19:47

Ah, shit.

John: 00:19:48

It's about to go down.

John: 00:19:50

And there was an incident that happened where two members

John: 00:19:53

got tangled with their wagons.

John: 00:19:55

So they're pretty much riding next to each other.

John: 00:19:57

The wagons got tangled, but one of the dudes kept whipping the fuck

John: 00:20:01

out of the ox that was driving the.

John: 00:20:04

The wagon, James Reed, one of the quote, unquote leaders of the group.

John: 00:20:09

And this is not a quote.

John: 00:20:10

I just made this up.

John: 00:20:11

He pretty much was like, Hey, yo, y'all need a, you need to chill the

John: 00:20:14

fuck out with this, this wagon, man.

John: 00:20:16

You're beating the shit out of it.

John: 00:20:18

You're chill.

John: 00:20:18

It's not right.

John: 00:20:19

And the other home boy, he wasn't having it.

John: 00:20:22

He was tired.

John: 00:20:23

He was exhausted.

John: 00:20:24

He was probably hungry.

John: 00:20:25

He was pissed off.

John: 00:20:26

So he kept smacking the docks.

John: 00:20:28

He just kept beating it up.

John: 00:20:29

So, boom boy, read here.

John: 00:20:30

Got pissed.

John: 00:20:31

Didn't even think about it.

John: 00:20:33

Grabbed the knife and he stabbed the dude in the stomach and killed him.

John: 00:20:36

Oh gosh.

Josh: 00:20:37

It seems like a bit of a re overreaction.

Josh: 00:20:39

I mean, that is absolutely.

Josh: 00:20:40

Yeah, it's an animal cruelty.

Josh: 00:20:42

I'll give him that, but like just take the whip from him.

John: 00:20:46

True.

John: 00:20:47

And, and then, and there was kind of like conflicting sources

John: 00:20:50

how the, the exact killing him.

John: 00:20:53

But different sources stated that James Reed shot him.

John: 00:20:57

Others were stabbed.

John: 00:20:58

I saw more stabbing, more prominently, but for the sake I'm going with the stabbing.

John: 00:21:02

Because like I said, I, it seems like more of a crime of passion,

John: 00:21:07

more than a crime of impulse.

John: 00:21:09

You know what I mean?

John: 00:21:10

It's more personal.

John: 00:21:12

It sounded very personal.

John: 00:21:13

So, and the group was living, he was, they were pissed.

John: 00:21:17

They were like, dude, there should never have been a stabbing of any sorts.

John: 00:21:20

Like that's just fucking.

John: 00:21:22

You know, everyone is exhausted, hungry, delusional, and they

John: 00:21:25

just couldn't have any murderer sitting on a group pretty much.

John: 00:21:29

So they lobbied, they lobbied, they, they, they went on a meeting,

John: 00:21:32

they huddled up, they had a choice.

John: 00:21:34

They, they, they were like, should we execute him?

John: 00:21:36

But, but ultimately cooler heads prevailed.

John: 00:21:42

They ultimately decided.

John: 00:21:44

He's banished and he would just have to fend for himself.

John: 00:21:46

So they kicked him out of the group before it gets any jucier boys.

John: 00:21:52

You know, we have some bills to pay, so we'll be right.

John: 00:21:54

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going back to read it on Wiki.

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And we're just going to jump right along after that

John: 00:22:51

cliffhanger of a murderous plot.

John: 00:22:54

But you know, there's a saying, right when it rains, it pours.

Josh: 00:23:00

Oh, I thought you were going to say what happens in Nevada stays in Nevada.

Sean: 00:23:04

I mean,

John: 00:23:06

they couldn't stay or else they died.

John: 00:23:08

That's fine.

John: 00:23:09

That's just that, just, that just pertains to Las Vegas.

John: 00:23:12

I don't know about any other parts of Nevada.

Josh: 00:23:14

No, no.

Josh: 00:23:14

It's the entire state.

John: 00:23:16

Cause I'll tell you what if I, this should a Reno in angles thing.

Sean: 00:23:23

That's fair.

John: 00:23:25

Yes.

John: 00:23:26

But you know, like all their luck starting to kind of compound,

John: 00:23:30

like it's starting to build up.

John: 00:23:32

So their cattle became all there.

John: 00:23:35

Pretty much majority of their cattle became really exhausted from the trip or

John: 00:23:39

people began to die because of exhaustion.

John: 00:23:42

And what does life do to make them feel better?

John: 00:23:46

Not a damn thing because this party was done ambush by Paiute

John: 00:23:50

Indians that resulted in the death of 21 of their oxygens payback

Sean: 00:23:56

itch.

Sean: 00:23:57

Yeah.

Sean: 00:23:58

I don't blame, I don't blame the native Americans one bit.

Sean: 00:24:01

Yeah.

Josh: 00:24:04

Yeah.

Josh: 00:24:04

It's a free for all at that point, boys and you

John: 00:24:07

lost.

John: 00:24:09

Of Oaks that died, but they had, they kind of had some sort of a good luck life

John: 00:24:14

through somewhat of a bone towards them.

John: 00:24:16

And one of the young men that they sent, they sent ahead to California

John: 00:24:20

actually made their way back to the group with mules beef flower guides

John: 00:24:26

that could actually help them.

John: 00:24:28

And.

John: 00:24:30

They had a good news that the last stretch that they have will be kind of

John: 00:24:33

difficult, but once they clear it, then it should just be easy sailing from there.

John: 00:24:37

So hope starting to come back to them.

John: 00:24:39

They're just like, alright cool.

John: 00:24:41

Like we just got to get this over this hurdle and then we'll be good to go.

John: 00:24:45

That's awesome that the

Sean: 00:24:46

cannibalism happens after all of that.

Sean: 00:24:49

They got all the meat supplies last leg of the stretch, but

Sean: 00:24:53

then they're like, fuck it.

Sean: 00:24:54

It's time

John: 00:24:55

now.

John: 00:24:55

You'll see.

John: 00:24:56

You'll see when that happens.

John: 00:24:58

They're like,

Josh: 00:24:58

we're tired of.

Josh: 00:25:00

Regular food.

Josh: 00:25:01

I want to try something exotic, like Zack, Dave, over there, he looks

Sean: 00:25:05

juicy.

Sean: 00:25:07

Motherfucking Hastings looking pretty good right now.

Sean: 00:25:10

Looking like a snack.

Sean: 00:25:11

Yeah,

Josh: 00:25:12

he'd make a good water bird.

Sean: 00:25:15

There you go, Josh.

John: 00:25:17

Oh my gosh.

John: 00:25:19

That'd be a terrible Patty melt, but yeah, also I don't want to let this kind

John: 00:25:23

of go unsaid because we were talking.

John: 00:25:25

In a way, payback that the native Indians did that.

John: 00:25:28

The word a young man went to get supplies.

John: 00:25:30

It was in Fort Sutter, California, which I believe is modern

John: 00:25:34

day Sacramento right now.

John: 00:25:36

And I don't want to just gloss over the fact that, you know, there's a lot of

John: 00:25:39

indigenous people that suffered many injustices that were being stripped

John: 00:25:43

away from their land being forced to slavery and other inhumane acts.

John: 00:25:47

It's kind of sad, but I think that's a topic.

John: 00:25:50

I highlighted.

John: 00:25:51

People should look into to learn more about that.

John: 00:25:54

But for the sake of our continuation, I'll keep on going.

John: 00:25:57

But I just want to acknowledge that there's dark history and pain behind that.

John: 00:26:02

I don't think anyone, no, no group should ever suffer, you know, but they're still.

Sean: 00:26:08

They're still suffering.

Sean: 00:26:10

It's not over.

Sean: 00:26:10

It's a lot of injustice happening to this day.

Sean: 00:26:14

Super fucked up.

Sean: 00:26:15

I don't think there's enough

Josh: 00:26:17

people aware of it.

Josh: 00:26:18

I was just going to say you ever heard of residential schools because those are

Josh: 00:26:21

a big thing in Canada anyway, right now.

Josh: 00:26:25

Oh they were basically religious schools that would kidnap

Josh: 00:26:29

native American children and.

Josh: 00:26:30

Take them away from their families and forced them to learn English and forget

Josh: 00:26:36

their native culture and language and abused and killed many, many of them.

Josh: 00:26:43

So a lot of this is coming out right now.

Josh: 00:26:45

They just found a mass grave of one of the schools like six months ago

John: 00:26:50

that

Sean: 00:26:50

mass graves.

John: 00:26:52

Yeah.

John: 00:26:53

It's not good.

John: 00:26:54

Is that the post with the bunch of shoes?

Josh: 00:26:57

Yes, actually it is.

Josh: 00:26:58

Yeah.

Josh: 00:26:59

That's a big thing in Canada right now.

Josh: 00:27:01

Yeah.

Josh: 00:27:01

Gosh, I think it happened in the states as well, but not to

Josh: 00:27:05

the degree it did in Canada.

John: 00:27:08

Okay.

John: 00:27:08

And I don't want to just, you know, like spit out some random things that

John: 00:27:12

we, I, I don't have much knowledge about it and I just highly suggest

John: 00:27:16

people to just kind of look into it and like what Sean said, there's

John: 00:27:20

still a lot of injustices going on.

John: 00:27:22

So if this is a perfect time to get educated in our non-educational crappy

John: 00:27:27

research, though, That's kind of like, that's kind of a takeaway that we want

John: 00:27:31

to give you, just look it up and please be educated by it and help people out

Josh: 00:27:36

just in case.

Josh: 00:27:36

Yeah.

Josh: 00:27:37

I actually might do residential school someday.

Josh: 00:27:39

So that might be a topic we'd get on.

Josh: 00:27:42

Absolutely.

John: 00:27:42

Cool.

John: 00:27:43

All right.

John: 00:27:44

Moving on.

John: 00:27:45

Speaking of natives, I've seen something interesting in a sub Reddit title today

John: 00:27:50

I learned and the username more William.

John: 00:27:54

Pretty much took into account that the natives around the area, there was

John: 00:27:57

a, the natives around the area that pretty much offered the Donner party,

John: 00:28:02

some food, but they would leave them deer carcass, bunnies, but for some

John: 00:28:08

reason the party turned them away and even tried to shoot at the Wushu tribe

John: 00:28:14

when they would come near, I guess.

Josh: 00:28:17

Yeah.

Josh: 00:28:18

Okay.

Josh: 00:28:18

So if I'm putting myself in their shoes they've been attacked.

Josh: 00:28:22

The native people and they're racist enough to not be

Josh: 00:28:25

able to tell the difference.

Josh: 00:28:26

So, so they're probably just shooting at any of them.

Josh: 00:28:30

I'm just assuming they're all the same.

Josh: 00:28:32

So, you know what they probably deserve what comes to them by the sounds

John: 00:28:37

of it.

John: 00:28:38

Yeah.

John: 00:28:39

And then that's actually something that I put down and I was like, you know, if

John: 00:28:41

that's actually a true account, I think it's karma biting them in the ass and it

John: 00:28:45

still kind of just accentuates the fact.

John: 00:28:48

You know, native Americans were like looked down upon, even though they

John: 00:28:51

were giving you respect that they were giving you beans to survive.

John: 00:28:54

You still turn them down.

John: 00:28:55

But again, devil's advocate.

John: 00:28:57

I do understand that they were jaded about the situation

John: 00:29:00

because they did get ambushed.

John: 00:29:01

So I think that's probably one way to kind of look at it too.

John: 00:29:06

All right to continue on the bad luck kept going.

John: 00:29:10

The bad luck did not stop for this group.

John: 00:29:13

And one of the de facto patriarchs of the group, George daughter had an

John: 00:29:17

incident involving him cutting his hand so severe that it resulted in.

John: 00:29:23

To have to stay behind LA what started a chain of events

John: 00:29:28

that had dire consequences?

John: 00:29:31

Like, because of this delay, this is probably one we're going to

John: 00:29:34

start getting into the eating part.

John: 00:29:35

Right.

John: 00:29:35

I have so many

Josh: 00:29:36

questions.

Josh: 00:29:36

How do we cut your hands so bad?

Josh: 00:29:37

You can't walk.

Josh: 00:29:39

That's my question or ride, you know, like you can get a Knox maybe.

John: 00:29:45

No, maybe it's just like, he couldn't function because he was losing.

Josh: 00:29:49

I dunno, leave them behind at that

John: 00:29:51

point.

John: 00:29:52

Right.

John: 00:29:52

But he was kind of like the leader of the group.

John: 00:29:55

So they finally felt like he needed to be there.

Josh: 00:29:57

I dunno.

Josh: 00:29:58

It doesn't seem like he's been doing a great job so far, so.

Sean: 00:30:02

Nope.

Sean: 00:30:02

Yep.

Sean: 00:30:03

Anybody leading this group at this point should not have any leadership roles.

Sean: 00:30:07

Should we be regulated to everybody else?

Sean: 00:30:10

Everybody for themselves at this point?

Josh: 00:30:11

Yeah.

Josh: 00:30:12

Classic classic Americans electing terrible leaders.

Josh: 00:30:17

Oh, that's my that's my one.

Josh: 00:30:19

I get one, an episode kids.

Josh: 00:30:20

Come on.

John: 00:30:21

Do you, do you get a free shot?

John: 00:30:22

And I did mention that there were dire consequences involved.

John: 00:30:26

Because he, they had to stay behind for, for a couple of days.

John: 00:30:29

Snow began to fall, which hindered their movement.

John: 00:30:32

As the group could not proceed any longer.

John: 00:30:34

The party had to create makeshift tents, cabins, you know, just

John: 00:30:38

to stay warm weeks passed.

John: 00:30:40

And a snow storm was still coming down pretty hard.

John: 00:30:43

A rescue mission from those who made it to Fort Sutter, it became

John: 00:30:46

nearly impossible to do because of the severe weather conditions.

John: 00:30:50

And on Thanksgiving of that, The party had to make the decision slayed their

John: 00:30:55

last oxygen in order to survive had their last Thanksgiving feasts involving

Sean: 00:31:01

normal food.

Sean: 00:31:03

God, here we go.

John: 00:31:06

Yep.

John: 00:31:06

Let's do it.

John: 00:31:06

This is when it gets to juicy and not in a bad

Sean: 00:31:11

choice of words, John choice of word, choice of words.

John: 00:31:16

Food was becoming.

John: 00:31:19

An efforts to hunt was unsuccessful and the group had to make the

John: 00:31:24

drastic diet change, eating nothing but bones bark, or whatever the

John: 00:31:30

hell they can find to survive.

John: 00:31:31

Whatever's on the floor.

John: 00:31:33

Whatever's on the wasteland.

John: 00:31:34

They were just like, fuck it.

John: 00:31:35

I'm going to.

John: 00:31:37

I want to survive.

John: 00:31:38

People were dying left and right.

John: 00:31:40

And whether it's from exhaustion, starvation, frozen to death, Donner

John: 00:31:45

party, hats resort to potentially the one thing they are most known for.

John: 00:31:51

John.

John: 00:31:51

Would you like to say that for us?

John: 00:31:52

What were they known for the most cannibalism baby S sir.

John: 00:31:58

All right.

John: 00:31:59

So the party who stayed alive, ate the bodies of their

John: 00:32:03

group members that perished.

John: 00:32:06

Oh, well,

Sean: 00:32:08

at least at least, you know, they were dead already, you know?

Sean: 00:32:12

Yeah.

Sean: 00:32:12

But then,

Josh: 00:32:13

then the meat's going bad.

Josh: 00:32:14

You want fresh?

Sean: 00:32:16

Oh God.

Sean: 00:32:17

Is that what it turns to?

Sean: 00:32:18

Or do they just eat the people that died now?

John: 00:32:21

Ah, there's more, there were, there was even an instance, and this is when

John: 00:32:29

this, when Josh kind of gets it right.

John: 00:32:32

There was even an instance, according to online nevada.org, that Franklin

John: 00:32:37

graves, very ironic name, the biggest names, just write itself.

John: 00:32:41

Perfect name as his dying wish told his daughters to eat his flesh to survive.

Josh: 00:32:50

That's gotta be a couple of years of therapy for them if they survive.

John: 00:32:56

So reluctantly, the daughters had to do, had to do what they needed to do

John: 00:33:00

to survive, or their father could possibly be the reason for a potential extended

John: 00:33:05

life for them, even though the measure to attain that was so drastic on the

John: 00:33:09

flip side of things, a member committed another murder, killing two weaker

John: 00:33:14

party members, so he can eat the room.

Sean: 00:33:18

By himself, he needed, he needed to kill two people for just

John: 00:33:21

him.

Sean: 00:33:22

Yes.

Sean: 00:33:23

He's a hungry man.

Sean: 00:33:24

Okay.

John: 00:33:26

And ultimately seven people on that party had been cannibalized for

John: 00:33:32

some of the party members to have a shot of surviving out of how many, sorry.

John: 00:33:37

I think 40, almost 50, I believe.

John: 00:33:41

Oh

Josh: 00:33:41

God.

Josh: 00:33:41

So almost a fifth of them.

Josh: 00:33:43

Jesus.

John: 00:33:44

Yes.

John: 00:33:45

So James Reed, who was banished by the group formed a search party to get his

John: 00:33:49

family back that came in, came in waves pretty much when the parties arrived

John: 00:33:54

to save them, they saw people who were described as pretty much walking skeletons

John: 00:34:00

and the grizzly scene of half eaten bodies horrified the Calvary that tried to.

Sean: 00:34:07

They look like some zombies.

John: 00:34:09

Yes.

John: 00:34:10

And there was like bodies, half Ian on the floor.

Sean: 00:34:14

Yo, I would not have tried to save them.

Sean: 00:34:17

I think I would've just been like, all right.

Sean: 00:34:18

Put them out of their misery guys.

John: 00:34:20

Same.

John: 00:34:22

So yeah, that was the story of where my week about the Donner party and how we

John: 00:34:27

should not trust shortcuts sometimes.

John: 00:34:30

But let's, let's kind of discuss this a little bit, boys, besides

John: 00:34:33

taking a risk on a new route.

John: 00:34:35

What else did you think that went wrong with that?

Josh: 00:34:37

Well definitely refusing the help from the native population.

Josh: 00:34:41

Probably the that's definitely.

Josh: 00:34:43

Yeah, no good.

Josh: 00:34:45

I'd like they had the rabbit so they could have taken the rabbit foot for good

Josh: 00:34:48

luck, at least from the native people.

Josh: 00:34:50

You

Sean: 00:34:50

know, I think, I think at that, at that point, they were

Sean: 00:34:53

like, you know, why eat rabbit when.

Sean: 00:34:57

Two weeks.

Sean: 00:34:58

I can just eat Jacob,

John: 00:35:01

Jacob,

Sean: 00:35:03

Jacob, the

Josh: 00:35:04

guy, the guy who killed two people has been planning it for weeks.

Sean: 00:35:07

Yeah.

Sean: 00:35:07

He was like, I've been skipping out on rabbit and Noxon

Sean: 00:35:11

for weeks it's time, baby.

Sean: 00:35:13

He's like, I can have a main event.

Sean: 00:35:14

The main dish

John: 00:35:16

he's like.

John: 00:35:17

Josh is going to get mad because this is a wrestling term or a wrestling person, but

John: 00:35:22

instead of Jake, the snake Roberts does that fool was Jake, the stake Roberts.

John: 00:35:30

That's good.

John: 00:35:31

Oh my God.

John: 00:35:33

What about, what about as far as Hastings playing a role, do you think back then?

John: 00:35:40

And I know like we're millennials, I think we kind of live in.

John: 00:35:45

Interesting time when you kinda didn't have GPS because you have

John: 00:35:51

to print everything out and now everything is like guided on your cars.

John: 00:35:55

Do you think you could have survived back then in that kind of ordeal?

Sean: 00:36:00

Oh,

Josh: 00:36:00

hell no.

Josh: 00:36:01

I don't think I could survive.

John: 00:36:05

I definitely wouldn't have survived 50 years ago.

John: 00:36:08

What are you boy?

Sean: 00:36:09

I've always thought about like cut.

Sean: 00:36:14

What, what it would be like to not use GPS and just like go to a gas station

Sean: 00:36:18

and get one of those map books and just fucking try and do it yourself.

Sean: 00:36:22

Yeah.

Sean: 00:36:23

And I've never done it because that sounds insane to do.

John: 00:36:26

Yeah, you had me fucked up.

John: 00:36:28

When you tell me go north.

John: 00:36:29

I'm like, where'd that at east where that is?

Sean: 00:36:36

Which,

Josh: 00:36:36

which way left and right.

Josh: 00:36:38

That's

John: 00:36:39

yes, that's all I know.

John: 00:36:41

I last question for you, boys.

John: 00:36:44

What would you have done differently to survive?

John: 00:36:46

And obviously besides cannibalism, what, what would you have done?

John: 00:36:50

I

Sean: 00:36:50

went to Canada with Josh, his ancestors.

Josh: 00:36:55

Yeah.

Josh: 00:36:55

We could

Sean: 00:36:55

be brothers at this point and no part.

Sean: 00:36:58

Yeah.

Sean: 00:36:58

Not join a group led by a guy named Hastings and another guy named graves.

Josh: 00:37:03

Yeah.

Josh: 00:37:04

Yeah.

Josh: 00:37:04

A guy named Lance slow takes his time.

Josh: 00:37:07

That's his last name?

Josh: 00:37:11

Yeah.

Josh: 00:37:11

I don't know.

Josh: 00:37:11

I don't know what I would have done differently.

Josh: 00:37:14

It's hard to say because the Oregon trail sounded like it sucked for

Josh: 00:37:17

everyone that went across it.

Josh: 00:37:18

So I probably video game doesn't

Sean: 00:37:20

help our point of view either.

John: 00:37:23

I always, I always died.

Sean: 00:37:24

I don't think I've ever won Oregon trail.

Josh: 00:37:26

Yeah.

Josh: 00:37:27

So the odds are against you anyway.

Josh: 00:37:29

I would have waited for them to build a train in Boston or something,

Sean: 00:37:34

or maybe just like they sent out that dude to California by himself.

Sean: 00:37:39

Why not just a fucking wait for him to get back to you.

Josh: 00:37:44

I don't know.

Josh: 00:37:45

Or volunteer to be that dude.

Josh: 00:37:47

And then you go ahead and then never go back.

Josh: 00:37:50

You just stay you say, fuck it.

Sean: 00:37:53

Stay in hangout with the natives, man.

Sean: 00:37:54

Yeah, they got bunnies.

Sean: 00:37:56

They got everything.

Sean: 00:37:57

The nice,

Josh: 00:37:58

the ones that didn't attack them, the ones that were giving them food.

John: 00:38:04

with them the way Roanoke did, right?

John: 00:38:06

Yeah, exactly.

John: 00:38:08

Yeah.

John: 00:38:08

They're asking something, Sean.

Sean: 00:38:09

Oh, I was just going to say, we don't know technically the timeline

Sean: 00:38:13

of if those natives attack them first or if the, the, the trail, the

Sean: 00:38:21

people in the trail were shooting and disrespecting the rabbit.

Josh: 00:38:27

Well, that's fair.

Josh: 00:38:28

It is from like the white man's perspective.

Josh: 00:38:30

So you never know it's a definitely could be whitewashed as they say,

Sean: 00:38:35

they say a lot of history could be, you know what

Sean: 00:38:37

I

Josh: 00:38:37

mean?

Josh: 00:38:38

Well, and also like they are encroaching on their land, like they're moving west to

Josh: 00:38:43

develop and I'm sure they're not for that.

Josh: 00:38:46

So

Sean: 00:38:47

definitely not thrilled about that manifest destiny thing, huh?

Josh: 00:38:50

Yeah.

Josh: 00:38:50

Yeah.

Josh: 00:38:50

They're like, Hey, we've been here for longer.

Josh: 00:38:52

What

Sean: 00:38:52

are you doing?

John: 00:38:54

Yeah.

John: 00:38:54

They were like manifested this Dick instead.

John: 00:38:58

Get out of my land.

John: 00:38:59

Oh yeah.

John: 00:38:59

What about you?

John: 00:39:00

WIC.

John: 00:39:00

Maniacs.

John: 00:39:00

What do you think about the Donner party?

John: 00:39:02

Let us know your thoughts.

John: 00:39:03

Just again, you can check out Reddit on wiki.com and leave us a message.

John: 00:39:08

Leave us review and all that.

John: 00:39:09

We are John, Josh and Sean, and we are signing out.

John: 00:39:13

Remember, if you saw something that kept you up at night,

John: 00:39:15

you must have read it the way.

John: 00:39:18

Peace.

John: 00:39:19

Bye bye.

Sean: 00:39:19

Read it on a wiki.com.

Sean: 00:39:21

Read it on wiki.com.

Sean: 00:39:22

Read it on Wiki

John: 00:39:23

dot on Wiki that I thought were a horrible harmonizing

Josh: 00:39:28

ever follow a man pasting.