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Jan. 3, 2022

Everything You Need To Know About Neanderthals aka The NeanderSeans

Everything You Need To Know About Neanderthals aka The NeanderSeans

Happy 2022 Wikimaniacs!!! We are super excited to kick off the New Year with some awesome news! As you will hear in this episode we have started the Cultiv8 Podcast Network! This will be a collaboration of our shows as well as some other shows we are excited to announce in the near future!

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So sign up today and help support yuh bois in starting something fun and exciting!

In this episode, we also dive into The Neanderthals! A cousin of the humans and potentially directly related to Sean! From how they evolved to where they disappeared to we cover it all!

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Sources:

Who were the Neanderthals? | Natural History Museum (nhm.ac.uk)

Neanderthals - HISTORY

What happened to the Neanderthals? | Stuff You Should Know Transcripts | Podgist

The 2 Million Year Melee: Neanderthals vs. Humans (columbia.edu)

Transcript
Josh:

What is up WCA maniacs.

Josh:

Welcome to season two of Reddit on Wiki.

Josh:

Nothing has changed.

Josh:

There is no character development and we are still doing terrible research on Reddit and Wikipedia.

Josh:

My name is Josh shell, and I will be opening up the hosting for this year, but as always, I have my wonderful co-host joining me for 2022.

Josh:

We have John Sean Salvino.

Josh:

What does that?

Josh:

My guy.

John:

We have seasons.

Josh:

No, no, no.

Josh:

That was the, that was the bid.

Josh:

There's no development, you know, it's all the same,

Sean:

Gotcha.

John:

then, then the whole questioning everything is, is still a status quo then, and I know nothing.

Josh:

but for a good bit, we will label it season two, but maybe,

John:

Oh, that's, that's a good idea.

John:

So as our seasons, just per year,

Josh:

yeah.

Josh:

Yeah, it's a yearly basis.

Josh:

Season one was a pilot.

Josh:

That's why it was a.

Josh:

was shorter,

Sean:

Oh, we got picked up.

Sean:

Nice.

Josh:

up by a network actually in the thanks for, thanks for bringing us to that, Sean.

John:

Segue.

John:

What are professional?

Josh:

that's why I get paid almost nothing, but, uh,

John:

You guys getting paid?

Josh:

To start the new years off.

Josh:

Right.

Josh:

We have some awesome stuff to announce for our amazing listeners.

Josh:

first and foremost, yeah, we, we started a network, the cultivate podcast network.

Josh:

It's been in the works for a little bit, so it's a kind of a collection of our podcasts as well as a couple other ones.

Josh:

We're going to announce a little later on, that are joining the network.

Josh:

All that really means for you is more collaborative content, easier access to other great podcasts.

Josh:

And, for our patrons, it's gonna really affect them because, , recently it had a branding overhaul and our Reddit on Wiki Patrion is going to be the cultivate podcast network Patrion from now.

Josh:

this means, for our Patriots, you will not only receive ad-free week early episodes, along with a slew of other bonus content from Reddit on Wiki, you will now also receive ad free episodes and week early episodes

Sean:

Impossible.

Sean:

Don't even don't even tease him.

Sean:

Don't even tease it.

Josh:

we know that.

Josh:

So

Sean:

happen.

Sean:

Wicked maniacs.

Josh:

Sean was messaging us at midnight last night as he was editing shots and that's

Sean:

You better fucking believe it.

Josh:

um, we will eventually get a shots and thoughts entire catalog ad free on the Patrion as well.

Josh:

It might take awhile.

Josh:

They have so many goddamn episodes.

Sean:

Where are we now?

Sean:

I think like 78, 79,

Josh:

That's crazy, dude.

Josh:

so there'll be a ton of content.

Josh:

All of let's start a call to all of the dead, all of shots and thoughts as well as Reddit on Wiki ad free episodes on there.

Josh:

and, episodes going forward will be a week early, except for shots and thoughts.

Josh:

As we said before, just clarifying

Josh:

people.

Sean:

trying to give though, to the I've been thinking about it.

Sean:

And a while you won't get early episodes, cause that's never happening.

Sean:

we are thinking about the three of us are thinking about taking, uh, the three of us, Chris, Ryan and I are thinking about taking, all of the previous seasons off of free shit.

Sean:

And then only for the page.

Josh:

that'd be

Josh:

big.

Josh:

That'd be

Sean:

am upping it to the $50 tier.

Sean:

Uh, you better fucking believe it.

John:

he needs wedding reparations.

Sean:

Oh yeah, baby.

Sean:

But yeah, I don't, I don't know the cost here for that, but yeah, we're thinking about only having the previous season and the current season.

Josh:

that

Sean:

every time as we wrote, like having a new season or taking a season off of a public domain, I don't know what the fuck do you, how do you non

Josh:

Yeah.

Sean:

we're putting everything behind the paywall baby?

Sean:

I wasn't lying when I said shit, ain't going to be free, baby.

Josh:

That that alcohol is expensive and they need to keep their show go.

John:

Exactly.

Sean:

exactly right.

Sean:

And that's coming out of one pocket.

Sean:

That's coming out of one pocket.

Josh:

and it's not Ryan's.

Sean:

It's not right.

Sean:

It's definitely not.

Sean:

Chris is definitely all your boy,

Josh:

Oh God.

Josh:

So, I mean, that's, that's pretty big in itself.

Josh:

That's four shows of content right there.

Josh:

but that is not all because our boy, John, our little boy, John, he's been hard at

John:

say little boy got, damn it.

John:

Like, come on, man.

John:

Put some respect on my fucking name.

John:

Josh.

Sean:

Our short king, John

Josh:

Our

John:

you go.

John:

Much better.

Josh:

he's been working on a new series for our page.

Josh:

John.

Josh:

Do you want to explain to the Patriots what the series is and how often they can expect episodes on there?

Sean:

Wait before, but John, before you do that, I think we have to make it known to the wicked maniacs and to Josh and John, they are not known as patrons.

Sean:

The website is, or they're known as patrons.

John:

Yes.

Josh:

Yeah.

John:

So what were you?

Sean:

I think you've been calling them Patriots or something like

John:

No, he's been calling them patron.

Sean:

I'm tripping.

Sean:

Don't worry about editing that out.

Josh:

says whenever we got anything, right.

Sean:

That's facts.

Sean:

That's facts.

Josh:

if you listen to this show, you'll think miles are shorter than kilometers.

Sean:

Are they not,

Josh:

Uh, I'm on Google right now.

Josh:

I don't know.

Josh:

but John, yeah, please, please.

Josh:

Uh, let the Wiki maniacs know about the new show.

John:

Yes.

John:

So I am the officially, the Billy Mays, the non-problematic version of this podcast, a

Sean:

quick

Josh:

Yeah,

Josh:

thank goodness.

John:

you.

John:

did a plan there.

John:

Good job.

John:

I'm proud of you.

John:

quick fix,

Sean:

goddammit.

John:

That's a pun.

John:

but wait, I'm the boat.

John:

Wait, there's more guy.

John:

uh, I launched a new series.

John:

It's a little hobby that I'm doing, as you can tell.

John:

I'm a lot, I'm interested in a lot in the cryptids and the paranormal.

John:

So I'm doing a mini series.

John:

Called Caba goodbye is, translated into Galaga as nervousness, anxiety, or fear.

John:

So what you'll hear is bite-sized stories of folklores scripted.

John:

Spooky stories and about like seven to 10 minute form at the very most, it's going to be filled with, with music dramatic sound effects, transition.

John:

So, uh, We pay a lot of money for our sound effects license.

John:

So we might as well use it since we don't really use it in these types of

Josh:

at all.

John:

Exactly.

John:

So we're trying to get our money's worth.

John:

Yeah, We

Sean:

No, I'm just kidding.

Sean:

I'm just kidding.

John:

pretty much it's going to be, I'm trying to see if I'm still gonna launch it as a public, type of podcast, but right now I'm kind of slated to have it two episodes a month.

John:

So if you're a patron, then you'll for sure.

John:

Get them very early as you guys can tell, I produce very cool.

John:

So that's what it is.

John:

Josh warned me.

John:

I have to space them out because I will be legally in trouble if I don't do that.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

I went on holidays for the last three days.

Josh:

And, John messaged us at the beginning saying I have an idea for a series.

Josh:

And then by the time I got back home today, he said he had recorded four episodes.

John:

Yes.

Sean:

seven.

Josh:

Oh, maybe it was seven.

Josh:

I don't know.

John:

Now it's four episodes.

Sean:

was it four hours at some?

Sean:

Even forward is ridiculous.

Josh:

And I was like, John, you need to space them out.

Josh:

And that we will not have burnout on this podcast

John:

I don't burn out, buddy.

John:

I'm a machine.

Josh:

a week later.

Josh:

I'm so tired.

Josh:

I've created 57 episodes of Kabbalah.

Sean:

um,

Josh:

so that, that is awesome.

Josh:

super, super cool of John to do that.

Josh:

So just another bonus, series that you can find on our page.

Josh:

so if you love any of our shows, it'll definitely be worth it for only $5.

Josh:

American.

Josh:

I have to say that because it's like $10 something Canadian, you know, We're poor.

Josh:

We're poor up here.

Josh:

Okay.

Josh:

you'll get access to all of our bonus content and ad free episodes a week early for all of the shows, except for Shawn's as well as access to John's new show.

Josh:

Kaaba, Kaaba, Cabot, Cuba, Cuba.

Josh:

Okay.

Josh:

I'll say it.

Josh:

I'll get it right eventually.

John:

you'll get it right.

John:

Okay.

Josh:

So please go to patrion.com/cultivate podcast

Josh:

network

Sean:

Uh, but for that $10 tier, I will do anything on video and I'm talking anything, baby.

Sean:

You better believe it.

Sean:

$10.

Sean:

That's it.

Sean:

That's all I need.

Josh:

you have to act out that Santa Claus.

John:

Oh, the HR scene.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

The issue.

John:

Oh my God.

Josh:

yeah, so awesome stuff coming for our patrons.

Josh:

we will announce more network, , announcements.

Josh:

Later on this month, potentially this week when this episode comes out.

Josh:

but for now we are going to leave it at that super exciting things coming in 2022.

John:

Wait

John:

before we keep going.

Josh:

oh no,

John:

We're already talking.

John:

no, we already talking about Patriana in our patrons.

John:

We have a brand new patron in the house.

Sean:

Ooh.

John:

Shout out to Gabby, shout out to Gabby for signing up for our Patrion.

Josh:

Oh,

John:

love you.

John:

We appreciate you Gabby.

John:

If you're listening to this, I'm saving your review for my episode, because I'm going to torture these guys.

Josh:

Oh

John:

She left this awesome review And you guys are going to get wrecked

Josh:

Oh,

John:

here for it.

Sean:

And jokes on you, Josh and I have been taking a Rosetta stone to Gallagher.

Sean:

So like this is going to be easy money.

Sean:

It's not going to

Sean:

be funny at all.

Josh:

either.

Josh:

You guys are going to say jokes on you, Josh.

Josh:

And I've been taking L's since, since the beginning of this podcast.

Sean:

there's, there's no torture guys.

Sean:

The only torture is the erotic fan fiction.

Josh:

Yeah, that is torture on

John:

That's the next episode?

Josh:

but yeah, that is super exciting.

Josh:

Thank you, Gabby for the support.

Josh:

, we appreciate it and, we hope you enjoy the content that we're bringing you, with all of that housekeeping out of the way and about a quarter of our episode done.

Josh:

it is time to go forward into the new year and then immediately go back in time a few hundred thousand years, because today we will be discussing Neanderthals.

Josh:

Now, John or Sean, do you guys know anything about Neanderthals?

Sean:

I think I say it differently than you.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Okay.

Josh:

I'll get into why it's pronounced that way, but

Sean:

Okay.

Sean:

Okay.

Josh:

that

Josh:

is the

Sean:

if I was stripping or if that's the.

Josh:

That is the correct

Sean:

Okay.

Sean:

I'm excited to hear why they're not called that, but,

Josh:

as far as what you know about them, I mean, don't say we know you are one Josh and I, that's not nice.

Sean:

I will say, uh, I am scarred from Neanderthals Neanderthals,

Josh:

Neanderthals it's the same.

Josh:

It does the same thing.

Josh:

You just don't pronounce the th it's just talls,

Sean:

cause one time when I was in high school was having dinner with my parents at Chili's the memories engraved into my memory, my memory engraved in memory, you know what I'm saying?

Sean:

Uh, I was sitting down and I turned to the side.

Sean:

This is real bad, uh, podcasting for the podcast.

Sean:

But, for the viewers that don't exist because we don't put this on a video, I turned to the side to grab something.

Sean:

And then my mom and dad were whispering.

Sean:

And then when I look back at them, they're like, oh, like your forehead is starting to come out a little bit.

Sean:

You kind of look like a cave man with your brow bone.

Sean:

It kind of sticks out prominently.

Sean:

And now that's all I can think about when I see the profile of my face is that I have the brow bone of a caveman.

Sean:

So

Josh:

no.

Sean:

a face truly made for podcasting.

Josh:

Well, someone married you twice.

Josh:

Actually someone married you twice.

Josh:

So.

John:

It's your boy.

John:

Neander Sean.

Sean:

Fuck me.

Sean:

My greatest insecurities are coming out and then get made fun of, I quit.

John:

Oh, oh my gosh.

John:

I don't think I know much about, was it Neander talls now?

Josh:

There you go, you nailed it.

John:

Neanderthals.

Josh:

Yeah.

John:

But all I can think of is dudes that, that commercial is one of them.

John:

Uh, the Geico, Geico commercial, and them wearing some sort of like a little cloth in the, in their junk area and then hunting mammoths.

John:

That's kinda the generic thing That I can think of about Neanderthals.

Josh:

is very accurate.

Josh:

They actually did hunt mammas so there you go.

Josh:

You got that one.

John:

played too much, far cry primal,

Josh:

I don't know how accurate that was,

John:

That's probably not.

Josh:

yeah, so Sean said caveman.

Josh:

So the first thing we need to clear up is that, the Andrew tells aren't actually like, they're not homosapiens.

Josh:

Like we are, they're actually a different species of humans, which is a fun fact.

Josh:

So, they lived at the same time as homosapien.

Josh:

a lot of people like to think that there may be an earlier, evolution of humans, but they're actually, they co-existed together.

Josh:

So that's, that's the first main, main thing.

Josh:

So your parents were actually saying you were not in the Anatole, you were a caveman, which is something different.

Sean:

slightly better.

Sean:

Um, I'm still a homosapien.

Sean:

He loved to see

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah, you're still, you're still in the ho

Josh:

the Sabian.

Josh:

You're not homo Neanderthal yen or whatever they're called, but, uh,

John:

We love you shine, please.

John:

Don't feel insecure around.

Sean:

I questioned by the week.

Josh:

So back around half, a million to 600,000 years ago, we shared the same ancestor called homo head Della Burgeness we're going to go with that began Asus.

Josh:

Sure.

John:

The burglary.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

The purging.

Josh:

so they lived in Africa and were descendants of, you know, monkeys or they were monkeys.

Josh:

I'm not a hundred percent sure, but they were like bipedal.

Josh:

So they were walking on two legs.

Josh:

But they were, not fully evolved humans yet.

Josh:

They were still probably Harrier, probably still hunched over and like, you know, monkey shaped.

Josh:

so, a group of them went into, Asia and Europe and these peoples eventually evolved into Neander.

Josh:

where the group of, oh, I gotta say this again.

Josh:

Homo had to head out of verbiage just in, is the first

John:

burger gene.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

They stayed in Africa and eventually became, the S the homosapiens.

Josh:

and for a long time, we actually didn't know there were other species of humans until about 1829.

Josh:

When a skull of a Neanderthal child was found in a cave near MGUS belt.

Josh:

So their skulls are much different than ours.

Josh:

much like Sean said, actually they were a thicker.

Josh:

We'll get into a bit more.

Josh:

Yeah.

John:

It was like, well, I don't need to take fucking, what do you call that?

Josh:

Yeah.

John:

about myself today.

Sean:

Ah.

Josh:

This is a, this is a genealogy project we're

Sean:

Now, watch it.

Sean:

Watch yourself guys.

Sean:

Watch yourself.

John:

I don't want you rage quitting on us, please.

Josh:

We will get into it though.

Josh:

Cause um, our ancestors collectively might have, Neanderthal DNA in them because Europe and Asia, you know, there is there's some, some, but bumping bumping boots that go on later.

Josh:

But, at the time, uh, this skull that was found, people kind of just wrote it off as a, as a human, with a medical condition or something like that.

Josh:

They didn't really give it much thought.

Josh:

and then until 1856, when a quarry worker stumbled upon the first known, Neanderthal bones and.

Josh:

He found them in Feld, Hoffer cave in Neanderthal Germany.

Josh:

So this is where we, this is where we get the, um, the name Neanderthal,

John:

Oh.

Josh:

because in German Neandertal means valley.

Josh:

And, so, so homo Neanderthal basically means valley people because that's where they found them in this valley.

John:

Oh,

John:

I thought, I thought it was like valley because you know, parts of their, I guess ads are a little flatter than most.

John:

That's what I was thinking.

Josh:

That's so mean,

John:

I mean, I have a flat head.

John:

You guys can't see it, but, I do have a flat head in the back.

Josh:

uh, no, that is not why it's a it's actually yeah.

Josh:

Where the first bones were found.

Josh:

They were in a valley, which, I mean, they weren't all in valleys, but then.

Josh:

You know how things work out.

Josh:

as I said, their, their skulls were very different from ours.

Josh:

Neanderthals had a low, long, low skull compared to like our more globe shape skulls, you know, for rounder, and, they had a more prominent brow Ridge or above their eyes.

Sean:

Hmm.

Sean:

Interesting.

Sean:

Interesting.

Sean:

Interesting.

Josh:

We're not talking about you anymore.

Josh:

Um, there.

John:

probably be like, has a conspiracy theory right now.

John:

I was like, you fucking pick this episode cause of me, huh?

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

We actually went back in time.

Josh:

Picked you up shot brought.

Josh:

Yeah.

Sean:

Y'all been planning this episode since the get go.

Sean:

Huh?

Sean:

I see it.

Sean:

I see right through y'all.

Josh:

We told you rice was, uh, was what was the ant ant

Sean:

Oh,

John:

Roach

Josh:

yeah, Roach eggs.

Josh:

That's what.

Josh:

So their face was also distinctive, the central part of their face protruded forward and was dominated by a very big wide notes.

Josh:

scientists think this may have been, an adaption to living to the colder and drier environments up in the north.

Josh:

so their large internal volume of nose would have like moistened and warm they're moistened.

Josh:

That's a great word.

Josh:

Uh,

Sean:

Never say it again.

John:

moistened

Josh:

and warm the air as they breathed.

Josh:

their front teeth were very large and a scratch marks on a lot of the, bones showed that they regularly use the, third hand, uh, the regularly used their mouth as like a third hand

John:

Oh, about to say, I'm

Sean:

like, yo

Sean:

Zell by, Hey yo,

Josh:

bad.

Josh:

I almost started a conspiracy there.

Sean:

they got third arm.

Sean:

They got a third leg, Haiti.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

so unlike modern humans Neanderthals didn't have much of a chin.

Josh:

it just doesn't exist.

Josh:

Really.

Josh:

There was, it was less prominent than, uh, than our chins.

Josh:

they had strong and muscular bodies and wide hips and shoulders.

Josh:

adults grew to be about 1.5 to 1.7 meters.

Josh:

that's shorter than, I don't know.

Josh:

Let's look that up.

Josh:

Uh, 1.5 meters, two feet.

Sean:

Everything that you've described these guys as I'm like looking at myself in the, in this quad cast, I'm like, oh shit, my nose is kind, what, are my teeth big?

Sean:

Oh shit.

Sean:

Now chin.

Sean:

Why do you think I have this whack ass beard?

Sean:

This is fucking targeting and I don't appreciate it, John.

Josh:

This is not where I thought that episode is going to go.

Sean:

Uh, NID, same.

Sean:

Likewise.

Josh:

Usually I pick on John, but a,

Sean:

I know we were usually United front on that

Josh:

um, my bad dude, my bad backstab.

Josh:

But.

John:

You guys are fucked up.

Josh:

Here we can pick on John now.

Josh:

So they were about John's height, uh,

Sean:

three

Josh:

4, 4, 4, 9 to five five.

John:

Hey, you got it on the five five though.

John:

Yeah, that's a low key.

John:

Me.

Sean:

low key.

Sean:

That's John's exactly

John:

I fuck you.

John:

I'm at least about five.

John:

All right.

John:

Taller than Joe Rogan.

John:

I think, I

John:

think,

Josh:

There you go.

Josh:

We got that going for him.

Josh:

He may have a more successful podcast,

John:

that's true.

Sean:

Joe.

Sean:

Rogan's going to hear our podcast one day and he's been like, damn people really fucking hate me for it.

Josh:

He won't listen to our podcast.

Sean:

I was going to say for no reason, but there are plenty of reasons

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

I was going to say he's Um, fun fact.

Josh:

So earlier Neanderthals were actually taller than, then later Neanderthals, people think that's maybe just, they, they grew stockier and.

Josh:

you know, a little bit, a little bit ticker, you know, battle against that cold in the north.

Josh:

so, nowadays this makes sense, you know, they, they developed a different bone structure at different physique because of their elements.

Josh:

Uh, it it's like Darwin, the birds, each screw, different physiques, somewhere to crack nuts, somewhere to.

Josh:

look for insects, human species did the exact same thing.

Josh:

they went up north and so they had to, bulk out a bit to withstand the cold and, the things they hunted and, and tracked were, were larger, let's say that they were larger.

Josh:

And so they had to, um, develop a little differently,

John:

I can already feel the one-star review coming out of this episode because they heard evolution from us.

Josh:

Oh, they're going

John:

uh, that's, that's, that's, that's problematic for some people.

Josh:

so that is a big thing, actually, when this first, came out, back in the 18 hundreds, we're going to get into some other things that happen, but a, a big thing was the evolution theory was heavily pushed back upon, uh, against, from the Christian,

Josh:

God created human, specially God created, you know, bird specially.

Josh:

it didn't quite fit in that, within that narrative.

Josh:

And so a lot of people, frowned upon this and, it wasn't until like, I want to say very recently that we started actually taking a serious look into, early humans.

Josh:

and.

Josh:

Developing the theory is a bit more, so going back to, uh, the different bone structure and stuff like that.

Josh:

in the 18 hundreds, as we are very well aware, racism was rampant and, uh, the whites were very interested in a thing called phrenology.

Josh:

do you guys know what phonology is?

Josh:

Do you have what'd you happen to dig a guess

John:

For Knology.

Josh:

for, for knowledge?

John:

Oh, that was like fornicating, but okay.

Josh:

Your mind always goes there.

Sean:

You started it off with the whites.

Sean:

So I'm going to just go ahead and assume that I don't like what we're about to hear.

Josh:

You will not.

Josh:

And, uh, yeah, there's a very specific reason.

Josh:

So this practice is a very racist and largely debunked pseudoscience that measures the bumps on the skulls of humans to determine how smart or dumb a person.

Sean:

Hilarious.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

So if you ever saw Django, Unchained, did you guys ever see that movie?

Sean:

I, you know what?

Sean:

This is a, I was talking to my friend who loves like movies in general.

Sean:

And I was like, you know, I don't know if I've ever actually seen.

Sean:

From start to finish a Quentin Tarantino movie.

Josh:

Damn.

Sean:

Like I've seen clips, I've seen like, clips of stuff, all the iconic scenes.

Sean:

I don't know if I've actually seen now.

Sean:

Just kidding in glory.

Sean:

Is it Inglorious

Josh:

Inglorious bastards.

Sean:

That's the only one I've seen and there's there's are a ding, ding, ding.

Sean:

There's our Nazi reference for the episode.

John:

told you something's going to come up.

Josh:

Let's keep that going.

Josh:

Where's the tracker on how many episodes now?

John:

Someone's got account who listens to every week.

John:

Grouchy.

John:

I know you listen to every week and you start a count for us, please.

John:

Thank you.

Josh:

so anyway, so going back to the Django Unchained, so, Leonardo DiCaprio has a skull of an old slow, like a slave that he had and he's pointing out, the skull, like different bumps and talking about how, the different bumps meant they were smarter or dumber.

Josh:

this quote unquote science, allowed white male Europeans to rank races and sexes by most to least evolved based solely on the skull shape.

Josh:

not only did this help propel slavery, sexism and the criminal system, it also affected our Neanderthal cousins, because when these skulls and bones were discovered, like I said, there, they were.

Josh:

football shaped, I guess you'd call it then, then are more soccer ball shaped, for our European listeners.

Josh:

You're not gonna understand that, but,

John:

Hey, Arnold.

Josh:

they're like, that's the same thing.

Sean:

football, football.

Josh:

football, soccer.

Josh:

so early scientists assume that our Neanderthal cousins were dumb.

Josh:

And in a, in an 1857 paper, German Anna Thomas, Herman shelf housing.

Josh:

We'll go with that stated that, Neanderthal fossils belong to a quote Savage and barbarians race of ancient humans and quote.

Sean:

Man.

Sean:

I wish they out.

Sean:

I wish they could've known that those came from Europe and then the homosapiens were literally everywhere else.

Sean:

And

Sean:

they'd be like,

Josh:

are descendant of those people.

Josh:

You

Josh:

idiot.

Josh:

Yeah, man.

Josh:

And so this is where we get the idea that, these early peoples were or Neanderthals were dumb.

Josh:

Right.

Josh:

However, there's nothing really to prove that they were not as smart as homo-sapiens.

Josh:

and in some facts, like they, they did have a larger brain than us.

Josh:

a lot of their brain power went to, high functioning, motor skills and other, other areas of, of intelligence that you'd call it.

Josh:

whereas ours was more social and, I don't, I don't know.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

More social based anyway, so.

Josh:

This basically led to Neanderthals, developing small knit communities that spread across, Europe and Asia, and breaking down where they actually lived.

Josh:

So at one point they weren't all, like, they weren't all conquering Asia at one point they were, you know, if you did a time lapse, Eurasia, you would see them pop up in certain areas.

Josh:

that population would die down and you see them pop up in another spot in Asia or Europe.

Josh:

so they kind of moved around.

Josh:

they were never a stagnant peoples.

Josh:

they probably followed food sources and stuff like that.

Josh:

Whereas, sapiens would build civilizations and, and kind of stay in one area and build communities.

Josh:

They were more of a wandering.

Josh:

So we're actually gonna get into, the tools and things that they used in, in their, small societies and how they lived, Neanderthals were in fact very skilled toolmakers evidence of, Spears and Flint, hand axes, have come up around this time and around 300,000 years ago in the.

Josh:

developed an innovative stone technology known as technique.

Josh:

this involved making pre shaped stone cores that could be finessed into a finished tool at a later time.

Josh:

So, you know, they would chip away at a stone to make it sharper and then they would carry those in packs like arrowheads or, or, uh, not obviously not arrows, but, like spearheads, they would chip away a bunch of.

Josh:

put them in their backpack or whatever they had at the time.

Josh:

then, and then if they ever broke their spear or lost the, the tip, they could always exchange it out for a new one.

Josh:

so this means the Neanderthals were able to, you know, freely travel away from sources of raw material because they didn't have to stay in one place.

Josh:

and they could just still make the tools when they needed them, because they had them on them.

Josh:

we also know from, , injuries, we found on their praise such as, , Mamis bison and reindeer, that Neanderthals were actually, , very proficient hunters and they were very intelligent and able to communicate with each other to hunt an animal to succession.

Josh:

On their actual bones themselves, they were found.

Josh:

to have healed bones and, damage on their bones suggesting that they, were skilled at close range, hunting.

Josh:

And if you think about it, a hunting, a bison or a mammoth that they were hunting at such close range.

Josh:

That's a pretty

Sean:

dangerous game.

Josh:

Yeah.

John:

that's, that's asking for it pretty much.

Sean:

You might find yourself on an episode of,

John:

The dumb found

Sean:

oh, love to see the cohesion.

John:

Hmm.

John:

I like the assist that bro.

Josh:

Can't wait for the Neanderthal episode.

John:

I know.

Josh:

uh, Neanderthals also, develop the ability to make fire, , from around 200,000 years.

Josh:

, which, helped them in living in these, , very challenging environments, cold environments.

Josh:

so we're now getting to the point where we find, , humans interacting with, or, sorry, I shouldn't say humans because they are both humans, , homosapiens, , interacting with Neanderthals.

Sean:

It's crazy that ninja tolls don't have like a, like a homo in their name because they went from their homo Gingervitis to the, to the Neanderthal and then the homosapien, they didn't even get like a homo name.

Josh:

do, they do have a homeowner

Josh:

name.

Josh:

Uh it's Homer homeowner.

Josh:

I forget what it is, but yeah, they, they do have, it is like, cause homo is human.

John:

yeah.

Josh:

Uh, in, in Latin or whatever it is,

John:

I think like we have, I think Sean, low-key just made our episode title Neanderthals.

John:

No homo,

Sean:

no, that's you

John:

please don't cancel us.

John:

That's not what we meant.

Sean:

I'm putting all that on John.

John:

Nope.

John:

That's all Shawn's idea.

John:

He was already caught, you know, I'll try to finish a sentence, you know,

Josh:

you were trying to finish what,

John:

his sentence.

Josh:

okay.

Josh:

Okay.

Sean:

And then if you pay for that $10 Patrion, he could fit, you could watch him finish more than that

Josh:

uh, so they're actually homo, Neander Tala, ni Andrew tall in this, you and your tallness.

Josh:

I think we'll go with that.

Josh:

That's the closest you're going to get to me pronouncing it.

Josh:

these peoples are obviously not around anymore.

Josh:

Uh, I don't know if you have noticed, but they are not, You know, you don't see Neanderthals around, uh, unless

Sean:

Yet I look in the mirror yet.

Sean:

I look in the mirror every day and wonder to myself,

John:

You sure.

Josh:

mom, who's my real dad

Sean:

are we German?

Josh:

if they were Asian, too.

Josh:

Okay.

Josh:

yeah.

Josh:

I don't know if they, I think they only stretched to Siberia.

Josh:

I don't know if they made it to.

Josh:

The Philippines,

Josh:

but,

Sean:

rushing is the question.

Josh:

but,

Josh:

um, we're going to talk about why the species disappeared and a little bit about the interaction that they had with, early homosapians.

Josh:

So, we started to arrive in Europe, , about 40,000 years ago.

Josh:

And we actually lived with, Neanderthals for, I think it was like, 500 generations or something like that.

Josh:

They give us like thousands, thousands of years we lived with them.

Josh:

and, they co-existed.

Josh:

So a big theory is like the replacement.

Josh:

where humans just go in, we take all the resources, you know, there's more of us.

Josh:

We, eventually just kind of starved them out.

Josh:

That's a, that's, uh, the most known theory and probably the, the most, um, Accepted theory.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Another theory is that potentially, we just kind of bread with them,

Sean:

That's what I

Josh:

know, like, uh,

Sean:

again, as I look in the mirror every day.

Josh:

because, for European and Asian descent, There is actually about a 2% Neanderthal DNA, uh, located within our genome.

Josh:

Sean is about 20%

Sean:

Yeah.

Sean:

I was about to say it's seems way more than 2% again, as I look in the mirror every day.

Josh:

Um, so that, , that's my favorite theory because it's like, it's not a competitive theory, you know, I'd like to think that we were friends, but I mean, looking back at the German ancestors who were racist, I can only imagine there was probably wars and stuff.

Josh:

Because they hadn't seen each other for, you know, hundreds of thousands of years.

Josh:

And then they're coming in contact with these very similar people.

Josh:

the nice thought is that they got along and, you know, just kind of merged into one super human being.

Josh:

the negative side of me thinks that we wiped them off the face of the earth.

John:

was thinking that that's, that's kinda my theory about it.

John:

I kind of think of it as it's sad, but you know how, when the colonizers kinda looked at the natives and say, Hey, you're going to be secluded in this area.

John:

And then you can have all of this kind of land now and go ahead, fend for your.

John:

But at least at that time, the natives are a little more, I guess, progressive in and they have more technology, I guess, as opposed to the Neanderthals, it was like very basic, you know, form of survival and they probably just died out.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

And you know, we talk about how they did.

Josh:

Bump boots or whatever, knocked boots, whatever it's called with the, with the Neanderthals.

Josh:

there are theories that, that was, uh, nonconsensual will say that, uh,

John:

Oh, that is problematic.

John:

Dammit,

Josh:

well, if you think of wars and, uh, like modern wars, that definitely occurs, when one country is attacking another.

Josh:

so yeah, not not great

Sean:

not great

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Like I said with, we came from Africa where we didn't have to worry about as many, you know, climate issues.

Josh:

So, , our population was higher than theirs was.

Josh:

So when we eventually spread out, if it did result in a war, we were going to win that just by numbers alone.

Josh:

because the differences between our technologies weren't that significant, you know, you had a pointy stick.

Josh:

That was basically all it was back then.

Josh:

Now there is, there is one other theory that's, is becoming more prominent.

Josh:

, and that is like climate change basically.

Josh:

might've wiped out, these peoples because, they were in a more susceptible area, whereas a lot of humans were still in Africa.

Josh:

if it ever got colder, like there was the ice age during this period, at least one, there might've been two.

Josh:

I don't know.

Josh:

if it got colder and their food sources, uh, dwindled, it would only take like a, certain percentage of, fertility rates to go down before or after, hundred thousand years they die out.

Josh:

Right.

Josh:

it's just math at that point.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

And that's the nice theory that they may be just died out without us doing anything.

Josh:

And we were all nice.

Josh:

And we, we just kinda merged with the ones that

Josh:

like yeah.

Josh:

Survived or were lived in communities with each other.

Josh:

so that is a nice, I guess, theory, they still all die, so it's not that nice.

John:

that's kind of like the deep question that I got, that you got me thinking about now, who's next, you know, like what's going to be our next evolution.

John:

We have this, all our beautiful, amazing features we've got going on right now.

John:

What's the next evolution.

John:

And we except for me and my height, but

John:

what's, I wonder

Sean:

some of us haven't evolved As I look in the mirror every day.

John:

Nah, I should just, yeah, this, this has got me thinking, man, like, Ooh, I wonder.

John:

Cause they survive for what you said, like thousands of years.

Josh:

Uh, hundreds of

John:

hundreds of thousands.

John:

So what's next?

John:

Like, can, can you, can we like conceptualize that

Josh:

Oh, you know what?

Josh:

an ad break and then

John:

idea.

Sean:

shit.

Josh:

and do some, theorizing of what the next evolution of human.

John:

Bam.

Josh:

Right after these, uh, sponsors.

Josh:

Yeah, we'll go with that.

John:

Let's go.

Josh:

All right.

Josh:

We're back.

Josh:

John brought a wonderful idea to the table.

Josh:

It's better than my idea that I had we're gonna go ahead and talk about our theories of what the next evolution of human will be starting with John, because he was so excited about it.

Josh:

Let's see where you got, what you got rolling around that noggin.

Josh:

John, what do you think the next evolution of human will be?

John:

I think there's going to be like a split of two types.

John:

Like there's people who are, have, you guys seen a limitless?

Josh:

I have, yeah,

Sean:

Another

John:

just going to be, yeah.

John:

Yeah.

John:

Pretty much the premise.

John:

Um, I

John:

haven't

Josh:

Bradley Cooper is better than us.

Josh:

That's the premise.

Sean:

take, they take Molly and then they're super smart.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah, they take what's the thing that keeps you focused.

Josh:

It's like cocaine, but for yeah, Adderall, that's it?

John:

But, yeah.

John:

So I think there's going to be like a subdivision of like humans who are insanely smart,

John:

who can like use, because we only use so much of our brain power or some shit like that.

Josh:

I think that's been debunked.

John:

Oh, I don't know.

John:

I'm not a fucking scientist, but like they can expand to what the normal capacity of like brain power is, for example.

John:

And I think the other, and then I think the other half of the humans

John:

I'd say.

John:

The us.

John:

or regress back because,

Josh:

Ooh.

John:

we don't, I don't think we have that much survival skills unless, you know, you, you wear like mossy Oaks and like, like hanging out hunting, like all day long, majority of us pot, possibly you don't have survival skills

Josh:

Yeah, that's true.

Josh:

My, my furnace stopped working today and it was like 13 degrees in my house.

Josh:

I don't know what that is in Fahrenheit, but it's cold.

Josh:

It's

John:

Right.

Sean:

that's uh, I can't imagine

Josh:

Do that conversion Shaun,

Sean:

I got you.

Sean:

I got you.

Josh:

um,

John:

but, so I think there's going to be a regression on like our end, because

John:

if you think,

Sean:

That's not that cold.

John:

how

John:

cold

John:

is it?

Sean:

I mean, yeah.

Sean:

In a, in a house that's.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

I'm like sitting around and trying to do work and I'm like freezing my ass off.

Sean:

degrees Fahrenheit in the house is pretty awful

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

It was, it was Chile.

Josh:

It was Chile.

Josh:

And, uh, I was dying.

Josh:

So I can only imagine how I would do if there was no technology.

Sean:

fact.

Sean:

That's how, that's how cold it was outside today in Texas.

John:

Yeah, it is, it is a cold

Sean:

And by the end of the week, it'll be in the eighties again, better.

Sean:

Believe it.

Sean:

Fuck.

Josh:

my God.

Josh:

Texas is a wild place

Josh:

and not just for their abortion rules.

John:

Oh God, please don't get started with that.

John:

Oh, I forgot what I was going to say.

Josh:

Oh, you were talking about a smarter people, dumber people.

John:

Oh,

John:

Yeah.

John:

So, Yeah, because you know how there's a lot of people saying the global warming is happening and a lot of our resources are doing Ling.

John:

And I think that's going to like lessen our survival, like for us to survive because we're not going to know how.

John:

You know, like there's going to be people that are going to know how to cultivate things.

John:

Ooh, cultivate, shadow, cultivate network.

John:

Um, there's going to be some people that knows like certain types of agriculture while some people like city dwellers, just like myself, I'm probably going to fucking die in two weeks.

John:

Cause like I can't get my meat or like I can't get like my produce and all that shit.

John:

You

Josh:

but you can still beat your meat.

Josh:

So you

John:

still beat my meat.

John:

until like I pretty much croak.

John:

I mean, I probably from like five times a day, I'll probably do it 10 times a day now.

Sean:

I was about to say, you're going to break your record easy.

Josh:

John's going to, John's going to evolve a different way.

Josh:

He's going to have a bigger head in a different way.

Sean:

His forearms are huge, I guess just as a right one,

John:

Just

John:

one.

John:

If you use the left, sit on it.

John:

It's called the stranger,

Sean:

Jesus Christ,

John:

you know, but that's my theory about.

Josh:

Okay.

Josh:

That's a pretty good one.

Josh:

Sean, what do you got?

Josh:

What?

Josh:

Cyborgs.

Josh:

Okay.

Sean:

We're making, we're making contact lenses that can be like fucking phones.

Sean:

We're making a whole bunch of different shit.

Sean:

Cyborgs baby.

Sean:

We're going to there's AI.

Sean:

John's using AI to write blogs.

Sean:

It's over for us guys.

Sean:

There's going to be humans and then there's going to be cyborgs.

Josh:

that'd be sick, although it will be like a class thing.

Josh:

Then

Sean:

Oh,

Josh:

richer people will have the cyborg enhancements.

Josh:

I have to, I think one's more far-fetched than the other, but, kind of off.

Josh:

Sean was saying, besides, , mechanical enhancements, it'll be gene enhancements with the designer babies coming out.

Sean:

Oh, mutants the X gene.

Josh:

let's do an episode on designer babies.

Josh:

This is fucking wild.

Josh:

but to, to dumb it down basically is a designer babies.

Josh:

when they're in the womb, they can edit their genes so that there'll be taller.

Josh:

There'll be smarter.

Josh:

There'll be faster.

Josh:

They'll have be immune to different diseases.

Sean:

No pro athlete children.

Josh:

Yeah.

John:

See you in draft day kid.

Josh:

D one baby.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

So, that's a big one I think is going to come in the next, I think decade, I know China is definitely like there they're making moves in that area it's, uh, definitely a scary thought because it's expensive.

Josh:

So it will be a class thing as well.

Josh:

the other theory I have, which is less likely.

Josh:

It's scary to think about that.

Josh:

That one's more like, the less likely thing I think is that we will develop space colonies on other planets and, a couple thousand years pass people have built out on Mars or, or wherever, and potentially something happens on earth.

Josh:

You know, war starts the communication breaks.

Josh:

They no longer know we exist after a few generations.

Josh:

And they developed into something completely different, to adapt to, you know, a Mars environment.

Josh:

And, uh, I think that one is, , plausible, but it's not as, as likely I think

John:

Fun fun fact.

John:

We are not high discussing desk.

John:

I kind of wish I was.

Josh:

I took a, I took a lot of scifi classes.

John:

thought you said you took a lot of DMT.

Sean:

Yeah, I thought you were going to say edibles,

Josh:

Joe Rogan, baby.

Josh:

We're going to do a three-hour podcast on weed

Sean:

you guys aren't high right now.

Sean:

I'm just kidding.

Josh:

it is legal here, but I am not,

John:

Lucky

Josh:

just had to rub that in.

Josh:

but yeah, that is Neanderthals, our early cousins.

Josh:

Would you call it?

Josh:

Yeah, cousins.

Josh:

I know a lot of our, our listeners are, European descent, Asian descent.

Josh:

so we have around 2% Neanderthal DNA.

Josh:

So this episode is partially about you.

Sean:

Why, why did you say that?

Sean:

Looking directly into my eyes, Josh,

Josh:

Um, that's just where my eyes rested.

Josh:

Sean, I'm sorry.

Sean:

it feels like that, you know, we were kind of on a fine line the whole episode, and then we just jumped it.

Sean:

We just jumped the

Josh:

crossed and that's where we end the episode.

John:

33% of that.

John:

Gene is sitting in this room.

Sean:

Mm mm mm.

Josh:

Sean living, living proof, the Neanderthals did not die here.

Sean:

2% seems low.

Josh:

We love your Sean.

John:

Oh, fuck

Josh:

If you guys enjoyed this episode, feel free to hit us up with a rating and review on apple podcast, pod chaser, good pods and fun fact.

Josh:

You can do it on Spotify now.

Josh:

Hell yeah.

Josh:

It's about time.

Josh:

They did it.

Josh:

It's only been like fucking five years since they've had podcasts, but

John:

This is the, the Neanderthals were still alive.

Sean:

They spend, like what, 200 million on podcasts.

Sean:

And it took them a whole like year and a half to figure out, oh, we should probably have like ratings on

Josh:

Yeah, you should be able to figure out which ones are good and which ones aren't.

Josh:

So, if you're listening on Spotify, hit us up with that rating.

Josh:

I don't think you can review yet, but you can hit the five stars for us, on all the other platforms as well.

Josh:

If you can.

Josh:

if you love us even more than that, want to hear more content that I mentioned at the top of the.

Josh:

you can do so at patrion.com/cultivate network, that's cultivates C U L.

Josh:

Spelling is hard.

John:

T I

John:

V.

Josh:

T I a V a nap

Sean:

It's Colt.

Sean:

I V the

John:

eight.

Josh:

number

Sean:

Out of the three of us who thought I would be the one to fucking spell it out for you

John:

I don't know you because you spoiled the.

Sean:

and I'm, I'm here to right.

Sean:

My wrongs.

Sean:

Yeah.

Sean:

Whenever you were talking about like, oh, we can't announce it yet.

Sean:

Here's the little fun fact.

Sean:

What?

Sean:

Khamenei X, if you go back to the international winter holidays episode, I spoil everybody's shit.

Sean:

My bad guys.

John:

I was

Sean:

I went

Sean:

I

John:

first thing in the morning.

John:

I

John:

was like, Sean, what the fuck?

Josh:

So,

John:

but at least I listened Sean.

John:

At least I listened.

Josh:

that's true, I started, I haven't gotten to that point yet.

Sean:

Just act like it's not there.

Sean:

Just say,

Josh:

So, if you want to know who the, what, the three shows that are joining the network in 2022 are go check it out.

Josh:

If not, we'll make an announcement episode and put it on this feed a little later on, or we'll just cut out what shots and thoughts didn't put it on.

John:

There you go.

Sean:

Fuck me.

Sean:

Sorry.

Josh:

if you want to go check out, our blogs, any of our other stuff you can do.

Josh:

so@redditonwiki.com, we got everything there.

Josh:

John's building out our blog, patrons there as well.

Josh:

If you want to check that out and, That's is everything I think.

Josh:

So, thank you again.

Josh:

Wikimedia maniacs for listening to another week and we will see you for Sean's episode next week.

Josh:

Bye.