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Sept. 20, 2021

536CE | The Worst Year In Human History


Josh is back with a history episode and he is here to teach John and Sean about the worst year in history! Listen in and find out how 536CE was possibly the worst year in human history!

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Transcript
Josh:

Welcome everyone to Reddit On Wiki.

Josh:

My name is Josh shell and I've got John to the left of me, Sean to the right here.

Josh:

I am stuck in the middle with you, my girlfriend shaking your head.

Josh:

I apologize to everyone.

Josh:

I hope we do not get sued for that, song lyric.

Josh:

but Sean, John, how are you guys doing?

Sean:

Good.

Sean:

I can't get the song.

Sean:

get the song out of my head now.

John:

Are you, are you are,

John:

are, you are a

John:

cream filling Oreo, Josh.

Josh:

No,

Josh:

no, no, no, no, no.

Josh:

John,

John:

you don't want to be, you don't

John:

want to be double

John:

stuffed.

Josh:

no, no, no, no.

Josh:

The fan pick was in the last episode and probably in the next episode.

Sean:

Definitely the next episode.

Josh:

yeah.

Josh:

Sean gets the reigns then.

Josh:

But today you've got me read it on Wiki.

Josh:

Of course, the podcast where each week we take a topic and terribly research it online and present it to their co-hosts this week is especially terribly research because I did it today.

Josh:

Right before this recording.

Sean:

legend.

Sean:

legend.

Sean:

says he did it while we were recording the last episode.

Josh:

I did

John:

Yes.

Josh:

as we were

Josh:

recording the previous episodes.

John:

at least we're staying on brand.

John:

Okay.

John:

We did advertise that we

John:

do crappy research.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

We're not always accurate, but we always have a good time and that's all that matters.

Josh:

this week of course is my topic, but before we jump into today's topic, I want to say a huge , thank you to everyone who has reviewed, shared and downloaded the podcast.

Josh:

I also want to let you know, once we hit 50 total reviews on Podchaser, or apple podcasts or GoodPods

Josh:

We will have a draw of everyone that has reviewed and the winner will get a t-shirt of their choice.

Josh:

so get out there, write some reviews.

Josh:

I don't even really care what you write.

Josh:

Just put five stars and, you can write something untrue, like E does not equal MC squared.

Josh:

I just want the five stars, so write whatever.

Josh:

I will read it.

Josh:

once again, five-star.

Josh:

Thank you.

Sean:

Again,

Sean:

like we stated in the previous episode, if you want to go ahead and rate us five stars and then leave a huge erotic fan fiction about the three of us, maybe who knows whatever your dirty mind.

Josh:

No.

Josh:

Whoa,

Josh:

no.

Josh:

no.

Josh:

Anything else it could be about the Donner party Nostradamus

John:

oh, God.

John:

You know, I just realized Donner Party's initials is

John:

Jesus Christ.

Sean:

Josh while your girlfriend is in the room right next to you.

Sean:

Can you explain what DP is to the Wikimaniacs brother?

Josh:

DP

Josh:

is,

Sean:

No, don't do it.

Sean:

Don't stop.

Sean:

Dr.

Sean:

Pepper.

John:

Dr.

John:

Pepper.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah, yeah.

Josh:

You're right, right.

Josh:

Dr.

Josh:

Pepper.

Josh:

I can't think of anything.

Josh:

I'm just drawing a blank on anything else.

Josh:

So we're gonna, we're going to move on.

Josh:

I'm not going to what it actually means.

Josh:

start off the episode, I want to ask John, how's your year going?

John:

What year is

John:

it

Josh:

20, 20, 21.

Josh:

I believe.

John:

should, that should

John:

explain it.

John:

How my

John:

years?

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

to, you want to go into more detail?

Josh:

is it better last year, worse than last year?

John:

I mean, there's kind of semblance of how was before 2020, but it's like,

John:

it's a tease at this point.

Josh:

That's fair.

John:

right

John:

now.

John:

If you don't know what I mean.

Josh:

hours of edgy sing some would say.

Sean:

And Josh, go ahead and explain edging to the wicked maniacs brother.

Josh:

Please refer back to, copy past.

Josh:

I believe it was that episode.

Josh:

you will get the gist of what were saying

John:

ay banter for this

John:

episode?

Josh:

did.

John:

you.

Josh:

I am regretting that, so I will just make a short episode next

Josh:

time.

Josh:

uh, so, so John, your year's going okay.

Josh:

Just kind of tease of what's what's to come for next year.

Josh:

Hopefully.

John:

definitely

Josh:

worded that correctly.

Sean:

She's a

Josh:

Uh, how about yourself?

Josh:

How's your

Josh:

year going?

Sean:

I mean, I guess it's better than last year, but, you know, coming back, you know, I thought I was done with mass two months ago back to wearing mask again.

Sean:

it's

Sean:

okay.

Sean:

Like a, John says, a tease of more to come kind of like an edging of a year, you know?

Josh:

That's fair.

Josh:

we never got rid of masks, so it never really changed for us.

Josh:

I'd say this year was maybe worse in terms of that.

Josh:

Cause our, our third closure of everything was like at the beginning of summer or late spring.

Josh:

So it was like the perfect time to want to hang out with everyone.

Josh:

And they were just like, actually stay home, like, fuck.

Josh:

So that sucked.

Josh:

But, it wasn't, it wasn't a terrible year.

Josh:

All in all.

Josh:

I it's been pretty good.

Josh:

so what do either of you classify

Josh:

any year in your life being the worst year to be alive?

Josh:

Or what would you say the worst year in human history to be alive would be.

Josh:

I want to clarify that I never prepped them for this.

Josh:

This is off the

Josh:

dome.

John:

I'd probably have to say around like the 1950 sixties.

Josh:

Okay.

Sean:

To clarify, John and I have melanin, so probably the fifties in America would be pretty bad for us.

Sean:

Uh, Joshie.

Sean:

Do you probably fit right in?

Sean:

You'd be

Sean:

okay.

Josh:

I would fit in, I guess.

Josh:

Thank you.

Josh:

don't know if that's a compliment.

Josh:

Depends where I guess

John:

Feeling like you're kind of

John:

around here, boy.

Josh:

maybe like you talk funny.

Sean:

Oh, God, I have to differ from John.

Sean:

I'll say probably the worst year to be a human is, around that, the ice age,

Josh:

Okay.

Josh:

Okay.

Sean:

in the ice

Sean:

age,

Josh:

Uh,

Sean:

off the movie, the Pixar or Dreamcast or whatever, the

John:

what's the animal.

Sean:

it's like a squirrel or some shit, right?

John:

Is

John:

it the one that keeps trying to get a

John:

nut,

John:

right?

Sean:

Trying to get the net.

John:

Oh yeah.

John:

like

Sean:

of edging,

John:

trying to get the

John:

nuts.

Josh:

of getting the nut.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah, I'd say, I'd say a, those, those are all terrible years.

Josh:

Like many would say 1347 when the black death went on to kill 200 million people, others would say the Holocaust like yourself, John, might take the top spot is the darkest time in human history

John:

You gotta bring them back to Holocaust

John:

because it's Hitler involved.

John:

Right?

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah, exactly.

Josh:

That.

Josh:

I mean, you went there.

Josh:

I just followed suit, you know, it was, I set you

Josh:

up for it.

Sean:

This is an insane hot

Sean:

streak

Josh:

yeah,

John:

What is it?

John:

Every episode so far?

Sean:

I don't know, it comes up more often than maybe it should.

Sean:

I don't know.

Sean:

John and Nazi Germany come up a lot on our

Sean:

podcast.

Josh:

it so that if, if people in the future research Hitler and the Nazi party, John shows up somewhere in the Wikipedia

Josh:

pages.

Sean:

Yeah.

Sean:

We're fixing the SEOs to make sure.

Sean:

Anytime you Google search Nazi Germany, you're going to see John.

Josh:

John's name beside.

Josh:

so all of those years were definitely terrible horrible years, but according to historian Michael McCormick and other researchers, all of these years pale in comparison to the absolutely horrible year of 5 36, CE, and I'm here to tell you why.

Sean:

What a CE.

Josh:

it's the non-religious

Josh:

after death.

Sean:

Oh, okay.

Sean:

Okay.

Sean:

I can

John:

So

John:

third.

John:

Okay.

Josh:

yeah.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Th this side of Jesus, not the other side of Jesus.

Sean:

does he stand for

Sean:

though?

Sean:

Close to edging.

Josh:

That's what it means.

Josh:

so it's a, B, C E N C E.

Josh:

So, it means, before the common era or current era, it's a way less funny than what you guys said, but Yeah.

Josh:

They, they changed that not too long ago, just to, you know, be a bit more inclusive with

Josh:

everyone.

Sean:

That's a

Sean:

good

Sean:

idea.

Josh:

yeah, it still doesn't really make sense because.

Josh:

It's just an arbitrary time where we started counting up again from zero.

Josh:

You know what I mean?

Josh:

it makes it really confusing.

Josh:

When you look back on history,

John:

I don't

Sean:

Yeah.

John:

anyway.

John:

So I just go, I

John:

just roll with it.

Josh:

That's fair.

Josh:

now 5 36 might seem like an obscure year for most people.

Josh:

There wasn't a genocide going on at this point.

Josh:

No atomic bombs going off and nothing politically that stands out.

Josh:

no, the issue was less about humans and more about nature to go into more detail.

Josh:

We have to travel back to the Byzantine empire.

Josh:

So you guys, you guys know the Byzantine empire, part of the Romans

Josh:

separated

Sean:

Yep.

Josh:

Eastern half of the Roman empire after they collapsed.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

It's

Josh:

super exciting stuff.

Sean:

No, you're Byzantine.

Sean:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

The Byzantines, you know, them, Sean

Sean:

have the Byzantine era?

Sean:

You know what I'm saying?

Sean:

Easy stuff,

Josh:

explained to me where the Byzantine empire resided shot.

Sean:

Uh, yeah, like I said, it's easy.

Sean:

Everyone is common knowledge.

Sean:

You know what I'm saying?

Sean:

It's you mentioned Rome.

Sean:

So I'm going to say somewhere in Italy.

Sean:

Mount

Josh:

I don't know if you could be more

Josh:

wrong Italy.

Josh:

They were trying to fight back to take Italy.

Josh:

So they did,

Josh:

they

Sean:

So then they were in Greece, which is right

Sean:

next to

Sean:

Italy.

Josh:

were in Greece.

Josh:

Correct.

Sean:

Oh.

Sean:

You know, we all know.

Josh:

forever on a trivia show.

Josh:

I'm taking shots.

Josh:

in 5 36, the Byzantines were celebrating the 10th year of the Byzantine empire.

Josh:

however Byzantine historian and military advisor pro pro pro pro pro pro copious.

Josh:

We'll go with that.

Sean:

Holy shit.

Josh:

Very Latin

John:

fucked up

John:

on

John:

that

Josh:

pro pro

Josh:

pro copious.

Josh:

Uh, he documented something strange happening in the air.

Josh:

He wrote quotes.

Josh:

And it came about during this year that, uh, most dreaded, important took place for the sun gave forth its light without brightness, like the moon during , this whole year.

Josh:

And it seemed exceedingly like the sun in eclipse for the beams.

Josh:

It shed were not clear as, nor as such as accustomed to shed, and quote another man

Sean:

Geez.

Josh:

the Syrian who was a Byzantine scribe also wrote quote, sun became dark and darkness lasted for 18.

Josh:

Each day at Sean for about four hours and still this light was only a feeble shadow.

Josh:

Everyone declared that the sun would never recover its full light.

Josh:

The fruits would not ripe.

Josh:

And the wine tasted like sour grapes end quote.

Josh:

So he was way more direct than the first guy.

Josh:

He was like, yeah, it was dark.

Josh:

the other guy was like like an eclipse and the beams

Josh:

shed were not

Josh:

clear and it's

Sean:

I'm not going to lie to you.

Sean:

Well, whatever the first guy said, I was so confused.

Sean:

I didn't know what the fuck you were saying.

Josh:

yeah, so basically, this son disappeared for 18 months any guesses as to why that happened.

Josh:

Aliens.

John:

climate change.

Sean:

I don't.

John:

sounds familiar to me, this having to do with referred, the guy kept referring to

John:

dark a lot.

Josh:

Hmm.

John:

Is this a dark age ages?

Josh:

So contrary to popular belief, dark ages do not have to do with the light that was coming in there.

Josh:

That's funny though.

Josh:

I like that.

John:

Oh, well yes.

John:

You know, cause fuck me.

John:

We know,

John:

everything

John:

right.

Josh:

let me

Josh:

look.

Sean:

on dad.

Josh:

no, no, it was technically during this period, but it was like before this happened, it started in 4 76 and went to 1000 and it was just a period where this probably didn't help actually this event this whole year, basically it probably didn't help.

Josh:

but it was basically a time period where not much was.

Josh:

Invented or written or, it was just kind of like a, yeah.

Josh:

declining

Josh:

culture basically is how it

Josh:

would be described.

Josh:

And it is very European centric, so I'm sure there was other stuff happening.

Josh:

It just wasn't wasn't happening in Europe.

Josh:

So that's all historians care about.

Sean:

The whites.

Josh:

the white, but

Sean:

Okay.

Sean:

Here's what Asia's doing.

Sean:

It's the dark ages.

Sean:

Cause we ain't did shit.

John:

that's fucked up.

Josh:

so what exactly was happening well in, in 2018 ice cores in the coli between Switzerland and Italy were being analyzed.

Josh:

You see in really cold areas, ice builds up over the years, freezing sediment for researchers to eventually analyze.

Josh:

What they discovered was in the year 5 30, 6, volcanic Ash and debris were frozen within the ice.

Josh:

This indicated a large volcanic eruption in the early year of 5 30, 6 and eruption so massive that Ash, essentially blocked out the sun for a year and a half in most of Europe, Asia and the middle east.

John:

Damn

Josh:

So that's quite the explosion, you know, that's the edging coming through, you know,

John:

that that was a lot of, was a lot of,

John:

innuendos in that, in

John:

that

John:

passage you wrote?

Sean:

Read it again, but slower.

John:

Yeah.

John:

Can we, yeah.

John:

Can we request to re you, read it again, but

John:

make it

John:

Saucier

Josh:

All right.

Josh:

Okay.

Josh:

And eruption so massive that the Ash essentially blocked out the sun for a year and a half in most of Europe, Asia and the middle east.

Sean:

wow.

Josh:

I apologize.

Josh:

We can maniacs mine were supposed to be to clean up the sword.

Sean:

Hey, Timmy fare, wicked maniacs.

Sean:

That was John moaning.

Sean:

That was not me.

Josh:

no, that was, I don't know.

Josh:

There might be Sean.

John:

It's Sean.

John:

He's, he's a purveyor of

John:

filthier.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Check in, check in the transcripts

Josh:

to see who it is.

Josh:

That's that's what I'm saying.

Sean:

this is not me.

Josh:

with the lack of sun came a massive drop in global temperatures.

Josh:

Some researchers estimate the temperature drop between 1.6 and 2.5 degrees Celsius or 34.8 to 36.5 Fahrenheit for my Americans out

Sean:

Okay.

Josh:

this became the

Josh:

coldest,

Sean:

way.

Josh:

the correct way.

Josh:

Get on this side with everyone else.

John:

Never

John:

Baraka.

Josh:

this began the coldest decade in the past 2,300 years.

Josh:

So very cold.

Josh:

I know it doesn't sound like a lot, but when global temperatures go down that much, like certain areas are going down like a lot.

Josh:

And, uh, with a lack of sun and record cold temperatures, it was almost impossible to grow crops.

Josh:

In China, they were hit with a summer snowfall that decimated their crops and Ireland, it was said they were unable to grow wheat for the next three years.

Sean:

T.

Josh:

an insane amount of time.

Josh:

they're not exactly sure where the volcano went off.

Josh:

I believe I saw some places where it said that Icelandic volcano, it's, it's approximately in the right spot where it would do that kind of damage to Europe and middle east.

Josh:

so that's where they guess it is, but they're not a hundred percent sure yet.

Sean:

I know, I know this is going to sound like revisionist history, but whenever.

Sean:

Talking about like possible causes.

Sean:

And I, you know, had jokingly said Vesuvius, eruption did pass my mind.

Sean:

I didn't think it would block out the whole world.

Sean:

can believe me or not believe me, wicked maniacs, but

Sean:

I truly, I was like, I wonder if an eruption that's probably stupid.

Sean:

I'll say some stupid shit about edging instead.

Josh:

The one time he has.

Josh:

It's a good idea.

Josh:

He's like, nah, I got to go with that

Josh:

gene here.

Sean:

Now if I could talk about Dr.

Sean:

Pepper again.

Josh:

I believe you shot.

Josh:

And I believe you, um,

John:

feeling Shawn's just holding out on us, bro.

John:

Like I think this guy

John:

has a hell of big brain,

Josh:

just a

Sean:

Uh,

John:

a genius, and

Sean:

w

John:

man, I'm

John:

trying to make y'all look good.

Sean:

yeah, we'll never know.

Sean:

We'll never truly.

Josh:

yeah, so untold numbers died to this famine and to make matters worse in five 40 and 5 47, 2 more massive volcanoes erupted, , prolonging the famine for decades.

Josh:

mother nature was just.

Josh:

fuck fucking everything.

Sean:

Mother nature was like, this is the opposite of edging they've edged for so long

Josh:

yes.

Sean:

time.

Josh:

It's time to erupt as many times as you can.

Josh:

now

John:

a day was my record

John:

too much.

Sean:

Oh my God.

Sean:

The chafing.

Josh:

he used lotion.

Josh:

Okay.

John:

I was really bored.

Josh:

Just bored.

Josh:

That's all it takes.

Sean:

oh, no.

John:

Well, we got a sound

John:

bite.

Josh:

yeah, that's the clip for this week.

Josh:

There's probably a lot actually, now that I think about,

John:

That's true.

Josh:

now all of that is bad, but it is not the only terrible thing that happened to the Byzantine EMP.

Josh:

You see with famine drought and a lack of vitamin D.

Josh:

It was also the perfect time for a plague much like today.

Josh:

the Byzantine empire, as many people know, was the remanence of the Eastern part of the Roman empire.

Josh:

Sean knows this more well, way more than anyone else.

Sean:

I'm kind of an expert on the visit team.

Josh:

Many years after Western Rome fell emperor Justinian set out to reclaim old Roman empire territories.

Josh:

This started the Gothic wars, a series of campaigns that took place in the Italian peninsula Dalmatia Sardinia, and courses for the next 20 years or so.

Josh:

These wars led to many deaths, obviously, but you're probably wondering what this all has to do with the plague.

Josh:

well, many historians assume that the plague ridden rats were carried aboard the boats, transporting, troops, bringing soldiers home from the Gothic wars.

Josh:

This resulted in the plague of Justinian properly named after their lovely leader.

Josh:

Could you imagine, could you imagine being such.

Josh:

Well, he wasn't a bad leader, but a leader named a plague after you.

Josh:

That's

Josh:

terrible.

Sean:

It's probably a, what Corona felt like in 2020, just like Jesus Christ.

Sean:

We're just a beer company.

Sean:

Leave us alone.

Josh:

Our sales are plummeting.

Sean:

Delta airlines in 2021, like whole lot way changed the name,

Josh:

We need this to be something else,

Josh:

please.

Sean:

anything besides the.

Josh:

I mean, no, no.

Josh:

Publicity is bad.

Josh:

Blip is publicity, right?

Sean:

Aye,

John:

ask the

John:

baby.

John:

He fucked up.

Josh:

Well,

Sean:

didn't fuck up.

Josh:

that's a, that's a different kind of publicity altogether.

John:

Okay.

Josh:

That was, that was accurate.

Josh:

Publicity will say that.

Josh:

yes.

Josh:

Oh yeah.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

We should have him on someday just to

Sean:

please.

Sean:

No.

Josh:

him.

John:

I'm scared of him.

John:

I feel like he'd beat my ass

John:

actually here.

John:

I feel like it would be anyone's

John:

ass.

Josh:

John

Josh:

we're

Josh:

remote.

Josh:

You know, this couldn't beat her ass.

Sean:

He might be shorter than you.

Sean:

My guy, I think you could take them.

John:

I don't know, man.

John:

He

John:

has crazy.

Sean:

Yeah, he does have crazy

Sean:

guys also not to bring it back way off topic, but when you named the Gothic wars, the first thing that popped up in my head is, you know, that, that gift of like the people under the bridge.

John:

Yeah.

Sean:

know what I'm fucking saying?

Sean:

The podcast listeners don't know, but the fucking dance with the arms and the legs and the God, sorry, the whole time you're talking about the Gothic or I was just thinking about that dude.

Josh:

That's what it is.

Josh:

That's that's

Josh:

that's associate

Sean:

Assume formation does the dance.

Josh:

the disease itself was very confusing and had a variety of permutations.

Josh:

Some people developed excruciatingly, painful, swollen lymph nodes, in the groins and armpit.

Josh:

If you got, if you got this permutation, you were very unlucky since only 15 to 18% of people survived.

Josh:

This type, others developed fevers, rashes, and blisters and died in agony, but usually very short, very shortly after those symptoms appeared, still others seem to suffer from something, in the lungs like tuberculosis or pneumonia, usually resulting in a long, painful death.

Josh:

Some say the disease moves so quickly that some people could be dancing in the morning and dead by noon.

Josh:

Yeah, not probably not that quickly.

Josh:

I'm sure some people died that quickly, but it was very quick.

Josh:

in most cases, if you got those lymph nodes, it was not, uh, you didn't have long to live basically.

John:

It's funny.

John:

You say the lymph nodes

John:

and like the armpit area.

John:

I get a lot of, I've heard a lot of people experiencing that with, with the vaccines.

John:

Has anyone heard you guys heard anyone

John:

experienced that?

John:

Like they start swelling up

John:

an arm.

Sean:

I haven't heard

Sean:

anything.

Josh:

yeah, so, I think, trying to remember who told me, like I have a nurse friend who was explaining that, it's your immune system fighting back.

Josh:

Is this one.

Josh:

She said it's completely normal.

Josh:

it, it just swells up to, to fight back against the virus.

Josh:

she actually had it really like the worst she's she's a heard of, like, or her whole arm was very, very swollen.

Josh:

Um, but she was fine

Josh:

She's fine now.

Josh:

it just she's she's like, that's just where it was fighting, fighting it the most, I guess.

Josh:

So, uh, I don't claim to be an expert.

Josh:

So don't quote me on any of that.

Josh:

Just fuck.

Josh:

Just fucking get it, get the vaccine.

John:

Yes.

Josh:

yeah, so we don't have to go through all of this because all in all the death toll was astounding, an estimated 35 to 55% of the Byzantine empire died from the plague.

Josh:

Many.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

It is a lot.

Josh:

So imagine that.

Josh:

We'll give it a rough dev summit of imagine 40% of everyone you knew just gone.

Josh:

Like that's a lot of people, that's a fuck ton of people.

Josh:

many historians say this combined with the famine was the reason the Roman empire never fully recovered emperor Justinian could never get enough troops to retake Western Rome, thus marking them for their inevitable downfall.

Josh:

I'll be.

Josh:

Like a thousand years later, but it's, it's a, there's an argument to say that if they manage to conquer the rest of Europe again, then the Ottomans could have never taken them over, which is what inevitably inevitably happens.

Josh:

So, We're off to a shitty start, to this year and not, not good.

Josh:

Historians estimate that this starvation and disease set humanity back nearly a hundred years, not recovering until 6,640 CE.

Josh:

They can tell this because the same ice core is being studied, showed a surge in an atmospheric lead.

Josh:

And you're probably like, oh God, let in the air sounds terrible.

Josh:

And it probably is.

Josh:

I don't know, I'm not a scientist, but, what it signified was an increase in silver mining, meaning that the economy was finally recovering from the volcanic explosion and the plaque that rocked the Euro Asian continent.

Josh:

yeah, so that's kind of cool.

Sean:

Good thing.

Josh:

Yeah, we can't, we bounce back, you know, Now we are almost done recapping the worst year in history, but it feels very Eurocentric so far and I want to be inclusive.

Josh:

So we're going to Peru, baby.

Sean:

Oh yeah,

Josh:

the, oh God,

Josh:

Moish the most, the most civilization we'll go with that.

Josh:

M O

Josh:

C H E.

Josh:

We're a dominant civilization in Northern Peru.

Josh:

They were expert fishermen and also had devised an irrigation system that allowed many crops to grow where they wouldn't otherwise.

Josh:

However, around this time, a massive weather anomaly struck the Western side of Peru, causing the waters to warm, killing a huge number of the fish population.

Josh:

This devastated the most people, but mother nature.

Josh:

Wasn't done saying, fuck you yet.

Josh:

freak weather also cause flooding in the area which destroyed the irrigation system.

Josh:

They had been.

Josh:

This caused many people to starve much like in Europe and Asia, not, uh, good, so whether it be war famine, the plague volcanoes, or other freak weather, 5 36 had it all the death and destruction set humanity back many years.

Josh:

And the volcanoes that went off, put the world in a mini ice age that hasn't been seen.

Josh:

So you're almost right Sean, with device age.

Sean:

Nice.

Josh:

Um, so what do you guys think was 5 36, all it was cracked up to be, or do you have a worst year in mind?

Josh:

Let us know by tweeting us at Reddit on Wiki.

Josh:

we aren't done yet though.

Josh:

But to avoid famine ourselves, we are going to hit an ad break quickly after we will do a recap, discuss it a little bit.

Josh:

And then we're going to do some scrolling on Reddit to find out the best years of people's lives because this episode was depressing.

Josh:

And I want to end on a happy note.

Josh:

So stay tuned.

Josh:

All right.

Josh:

We are back and ready to check out some Reddit threads.

Josh:

But first how'd you guys feel about 5 36.

Josh:

Do you think it was an accurate cover of the worst year in humanity?

Josh:

Or do you think other years compare?

Sean:

Uh, it sounds pretty bad.

Sean:

It sounds like 20, 20, you know, you had COVID but also just imagine COVID but no sunlight.

Sean:

For the whole year and a half.

Sean:

No sunlight plus COVID

Josh:

no.

Josh:

no.

Sean:

fucked.

Josh:

Yeah, no.

Josh:

What about what a

Josh:

burger?

Josh:

Cause

Josh:

there was no

Josh:

food.

Sean:

there,

Josh:

John, you

Josh:

might,

Josh:

you wouldn't, have all the nice food that you get to go enjoy on your tick-tock.

John:

Good enough.

John:

Tick-tock yeah, I think it was pretty bad and you know, it just, I feel like they all got hit pretty much all at once.

John:

I mean, 2020 was bad.

John:

I mean, we our whole life pretty.

John:

Yeah.

John:

Got changed in an instant, but it's not as

John:

bad as that was.

John:

We could, at least

John:

get

Sean:

shit

Josh:

True.

Sean:

food.

Sean:

We have the

Sean:

internet.

Sean:

is a as shitty as 2020 was it could have been way worse.

John:

could have been way worse.

John:

Exactly.

Josh:

Yeah, I

Josh:

think that's a, that's a good way to look at it.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

Especially like, since you're both right.

Josh:

You had the internet, which you could order food straight to your door and never have to communicate with someone else.

Josh:

I never worry about getting the D the plague, the virus.

Josh:

yeah, that's, that's a good, that's a nice way to look at it.

Josh:

all the people that are like, you're taking away our freedoms.

Josh:

It's like, well, this is what it could fucking be.

Josh:

You dumb ass.

John:

Exactly.

Josh:

Yeah.

John:

Imagine how, how would You even be able to friggin work from home

John:

back then?

Josh:

Well, to be fair, I think, I think most of them ran their businesses out of their homes at that point.

Josh:

So like a blacksmith would have a

Sean:

Okay.

Josh:

blacksmith shop in his home probably.

Josh:

I don't know, Sean's a historian.

Josh:

So

John:

So

John:

you tell

John:

us

Sean:

So

Sean:

the way the blacksmiths

Josh:

where, where were the

Sean:

back then they would have, uh,

Sean:

okay.

Josh:

all right, well, that is 5 36 CE, a very depressing year.

Josh:

very sad, but we managed to make our way through it and found better years.

Josh:

And so.

Josh:

Why not go to Reddit and find out what everyone's best year was as according to themselves, full disclosure, I searched worst year of your life before, before I thought of this idea.

Josh:

And it was very sad.

John:

Okay.

Josh:

I took one half, one funny one though.

Josh:

And I'm going to read it now.

Josh:

So on a, on an ask Reddit, ask Reddit thread quite a few years ago, it was what is the worst year of your life and empty underscore wine underscore box says, quote, the first one, I just couldn't stop shitting myself and crying all the time.

Josh:

Very needy period for me, but I grew out of it.

Josh:

End quote.

Josh:

So

Josh:

he's talking about when he was a baby

Sean:

I was about to say,

John:

I must say,

Sean:

shitting yourself.

Sean:

Seems like something you could easily avoid.

Josh:

yeah, maybe not as

Josh:

a baby, but

Sean:

Not as a baby.

Sean:

That's why I was like, had to have been.

John:

Well,

John:

actually,

John:

you

Sean:

Yeah,

John:

people doing the vaccine alternative,

John:

like the little horse.

Josh:

oh God

John:

that they're using like

John:

some sort of like a horse

Josh:

medicine.

John:

repellent.

John:

medicine or

John:

whatever

Josh:

repellent.

Sean:

horse repellent.

Sean:

It keeps horses away from

Josh:

It's like bugs res

Josh:

propels horses.

John:

horses.

John:

Like,

Sean:

run away Like,

Josh:

He's got that horse from falling.

Josh:

Shit.

Sean:

We got to get outta here.

Josh:

That was fucking funny.

John:

you know what, when I met well, horse medicine, whatever.

John:

Yeah.

John:

Apparently one of the side effects is you just keep shitting yourself.

John:

Hey,

Josh:

Oh,

Sean:

You can say, you know what?

Sean:

I, you know what I meant, and I genuinely was sitting here, like, I don't know,

Josh:

well,

John:

a horse

John:

repellent,

Josh:

yeah,

John:

of that.

Josh:

well I'll, I'll clarify.

Josh:

there are some people who believe in taking horse medicine instead of the vaccine.

Josh:

And that'll cure you, but all it does is

Josh:

give you just horrible

Sean:

guts.

Josh:

And so, it does not fix you.

Josh:

It just makes you very sick in different ways.

Josh:

so yeah, you know,

Sean:

Shit out the COVID.

Josh:

just repel the COVID in horses.

John:

Yeah,

John:

bringing that bitch up to the FDA

John:

funding.

Josh:

Uh,

Josh:

we have this thing that repels horses.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

It's called a fence idiot.

John:

oh,

Josh:

don't know.

Josh:

I enjoyed that so much.

Josh:

So that was funny.

John:

Okay.

Josh:

so empty box empty wine box said that the first year was, was them shitting themselves crying all the time.

Josh:

the first comment underneath it by fuzzy shoes says, quote, all those things may be true, but you'll at least you were scoring some major tit action at the time to quote.

Josh:

so that was good.

Josh:

I had to pick that one.

Josh:

The rest of them were.

Josh:

Awfully depressing.

Josh:

So, so now I'm on an ask Reddit thread on how old were you when you had the best year of your life?

Josh:

the top comment says each year is getting better and better.

Josh:

I keep learning more.

Josh:

I keep trying new things and I keep having more fun 23 right now.

Josh:

And that was

Josh:

1 19 6 years ago.

Josh:

So I hope he'd kept having that up and up and never reached that.

Josh:

I have in the curious, says 24 was a great one divisible by 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, and 24.

Josh:

So that number, some math, math people will enjoy that.

John:

No went right above me.

Josh:

divisible by it so you can

Sean:

I got to

Josh:

no, no, let me, can you go on, on,

Sean:

mansplain math to me, Josh.

Josh:

basically your small mind can't comprehend.

Josh:

mid century and said my hippie years, no worries.

Josh:

No bills smoked a lot of weed.

Josh:

Lots of cool friends.

Josh:

College was cheap if you wanted to go all types of music.

Josh:

And so very good of people everywhere.

Josh:

My age, a benefit of being a baby boomer, was safe to hitchhike, safe to have sex, safe, not plan

Josh:

ahead and

Sean:

Save to have sex is questionable, but everything else sounds like a lot of fun.

Josh:

Yeah.

John:

Yeah.

Josh:

Yeah.

Josh:

I mean, they didn't have the testing back then.

Josh:

So it was safe in the respect that you just didn't know

Josh:

what you were kidding.

Sean:

Ignorance is

Sean:

bliss,

Sean:

dude.

Josh:

now.

Sean:

saw an interview.

Josh:

No, I don't know.

Sean:

with magic Johnson.

Sean:

Like whatever, I guess, whenever it came out and I was just like, this man was wild and he'd be like, yeah, you know, some women just have their fantasies.

Sean:

Some women want to be in, you know, want to be in right next to their office, having sex, knowing that there's a meeting right next door.

Sean:

Some women like to have other women.

Sean:

And he was just going on for like five minutes about other sexual encounters.

Sean:

He had us, this man is.

Sean:

God, he's a God

John:

So

John:

time.

John:

For real,

Sean:

Showtime Lakers.

John:

imagine Rick flair, I'm surprised Rick flair.

John:

Hasn't like, you know, got a

John:

heart attack in the middle of all

John:

the action.

John:

He's doing

Sean:

What does the oldest oldest ride?

Sean:

Longest line space.

Sean:

Mountain baby.

John:

Woo.

Josh:

you should send me that interview.

Josh:

Sean, maybe I'll play some of it in the

Josh:

app.

Sean:

Oh yeah.

Sean:

I'll I'll try and find it.

Josh:

we'll end it off with artsy 10 these years, my retirement years, the children are entering middle age.

Josh:

The grands are in their busiest years.

Josh:

We live in a house.

Josh:

We remodeled to suit our needs in a small community of mostly retired.

Josh:

No traffic, no noise.

Josh:

Hubs has an oversize, garage workshop.

Josh:

I have a painting studio, sewing room.

Josh:

We can do whatever we want to do.

Josh:

I absolutely love every minute and quote.

Josh:

So that's a nice sentiment.

Josh:

So people, in their thirties, or, you know, late twenties who think it's the end of the world.

Josh:

There's so much more to look forward.

John:

Nope.

Josh:

No.

Josh:

Okay.

Josh:

Sorry.

Josh:

John's shaking his head.

Josh:

He experienced Whataburger and he's been very depressed ever since.

Sean:

Whoa.

Sean:

Whoa, take it back, Josh,

Josh:

No problem.

Josh:

Um, how about you guys?

Josh:

What is, what year do you look back on the fondness?

Sean:

Hm.

John:

Probably when I was 16 or

John:

17.

John:

Just because everything was, couldn't go out to drink.

John:

Cause he didn't can, you couldn't really adult things yet because you're not 18, but you do in many ways because you feel

John:

rebellious,

Josh:

So it's like, yeah, you, you like.

John:

yeah.

John:

And then when you, you know, when things started to be like, okay, you're 18 now.

John:

Well to at least go to clubs and get that big ass X

John:

in your arm.

John:

Yeah, I think it was just like the whole, like thrill of being able to like.

John:

You kind of felt dangerous

Josh:

Yeah.

John:

a teenager, but yeah, I mean, I woke up in a lot of places that I'm like, where the hell am I at?

John:

So

John:

one times,

Josh:

Good, good stories then, or, well, maybe that you can't remember them.

Josh:

Yeah.

John:

I don't remember any of them, but I'm pretty

John:

sure it was fun.

Josh:

Out there.

Josh:

Repelling horses like a motherfucker.

John:

Walk away from me stallion.

Josh:

all Sean, what about you?

Sean:

probably like 2015.

Sean:

That was a pretty good.

Sean:

how old was I?

Sean:

I was 23, moved out of the parents' house, had my apartment with some roommates was in this dating my wife, not then, but she became my wife.

Sean:

And, I don't know I was doing the dance life thing for a lot.

Sean:

I was bringing the dance crew to Chicago, to Vegas and, yeah, it was good.

Sean:

And I didn't have a job yet, so I didn't have to worry about bills and shit.

Sean:

Prime time.

Josh:

good.

Josh:

That's good.

Josh:

do you want to, do you want to hear mine or no?

Sean:

no?

Sean:

not now, Josh.

Sean:

I think that's the end.

Sean:

It for that episode

Sean:

plugs.

Sean:

we got plugs

Sean:

guys.

Sean:

All

Josh:

we got a that's ready on the weekend.

Josh:

I've actually never had a good life.

John:

Well, this is

John:

depressing.

Josh:

just kidding.

Josh:

Just kidding.

Josh:

I think I got to go.

Josh:

quite a few years have been good and I'm going to go controversial.

Josh:

I'm going to say last year was probably the best year of my life, which is contrary to, probably the popular opinion, but, it was good.

Josh:

I got to, I got to move home for a year.

Josh:

I was still working, so I didn't lose my job.

Josh:

Started my podcast, met my girlfriend and, Yeah.

Josh:

Just, you know, saved quite a bit with my parents and got to spend time with them before I, you know, move out permanently.

Josh:

And, yeah, it was good time.

Josh:

Good time.

Sean:

Nice.

John:

Now going to line was

John:

a damn good year for me.

Josh:

No, it's, I think people will look back on it with, you know, the taint of the flag and everything like that,

Josh:

but, I'm sure.

Josh:

Some people have fair reasons for that.

Josh:

But, I, I think all in all, it was good for some people

John:

Perks of not having a social life is, I don't know.

Josh:

don't lie.

Josh:

John, you miss it

John:

Oh

John:

seriously, I don't have a social life.

Josh:

somewhat.

Josh:

Please be my friend.

Sean:

Okay.

John:

talk to

John:

me.

Josh:

That's why you started this podcast.

Josh:

Just to give me a Sean to talk to.

John:

Yes.

John:

This is the most

John:

social life I have.

Josh:

Um,

Sean:

it out,

Sean:

guys.

Josh:

it only took episode 10 it's episode 10.

Josh:

You should have celebrated

Josh:

that.

Josh:

I forgot.

Sean:

Double digits.

Josh:

Wow.

John:

no pod fade.

John:

Yeah.

John:

Huh.

John:

Okay.

Josh:

I'm

Sean:

Actually I hate to say this is my last episode.

Sean:

It's been real guys.

Sean:

Thank you.

Sean:

The pod fade has hit it's been real guys.

Josh:

Sean ran out of fanfic.

Sean:

Yeah.

John:

off to a limited series podcast?

John:

we'll have our, my fourth

John:

show in the next

John:

month

John:

with

Sean:

Yeah.

John:

set of four people this time.

Josh:

Oh, you're just going to up the ante every time.

Josh:

One more person.

John:

the ante every time.

John:

Yeah.

John:

One more person.

John:

So four people.

Josh:

I like that.

Josh:

That's good.

Josh:

That's good.

Josh:

well, thank you everyone for listening to this episode.

Josh:

I hope you realize that, you know, life's not that bad.

Josh:

It could be worse.

Josh:

We could be.

Josh:

You know, dead

Josh:

from from mother nature and, very much a worst plague.

Josh:

but if you love the show, please leave a rating on apple podcast or pod chaser, or you can go to our new website, read it on wiki.com and check out everything they're subscribed to our newsletter, whatever you gotta do.

Josh:

If you want to keep up with us, tweet at us, let us know what your best year was at Reddit on Wiki, on Twitter.

Josh:

that is all.

Josh:

This is Josh signing off.

John:

Oh, we got to Say we're signing

John:

off

John:

too.

Sean:

Oh, yeah, fuck us.

Sean:

Right.

Sean:

Come on.

Sean:

Come on.

Sean:

You're the host to

Sean:

Josh.

Josh:

this is Josh soloing and it, once again, Carrying the show on my back.

Sean:

Wow.

John:

repelling, all the

John:

horses.

Josh:

Yeah.

Sean:

And this is Sean.

Sean:

I'm on hour three

Sean:

of edging.

Sean:

it's going great.

Sean:

We should be hitting the climax soon.

Josh:

Sean expert in edging and the Byzantine empire.

Sean:

There's one thing though, the wicked maniac should know me for it's my expertise in the Byzantine empire and my expertise in edging.

Josh:

All right.

Josh:

And I'm Josh expert in

Josh:

fucking, I don't know.

John:

Fuck

Sean:

I'm fucking all my

John:

Oh,

John:

damn.

John:

Okay.

John:

Hey,

Sean:

Canadia.

John:

I could shit.

John:

Okay.

John:

Certify Loverboy.

John:

Huh?

Josh:

That's what it is.

Josh:

Yes.

Josh:

Yes.

John:

lover boy.

Josh:

All right.

Josh:

Well we better, we better wrap the show up before we say anything else we regret this is Josh signing off.

Josh:

Say by my co-hosts.